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Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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So we can't carry cash, because they'll seize that directly. This device could probably do some sort of run around the new chip system in cards. Bitcoin is nearly useless in the real world. So where does that leave us? Google & Apple Pay on our phones? At least our phones can be password protected.

And you'll get an obstruction of justice charge if you don't supply the password then and then be found in contempt of court if you don't give it up when you're before a judge.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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post #50

This reads like The Onion. I can't believe they're serious. >"If you can prove can prove that you have a legitimate reason to have that money it will be given back to you. And we've done that in the past," Vincent said about any money seized. ... Legit reason? How am I supposed to prove where every cent came from? What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

You're never charged with a crime, the object is and it is not given representation. So there's no "innocent until proven guilty" for inanimate objects. Despicable, and akin to highway robbery in my opinion.

> You're never charged with a crime, the object is and it is not given representation.

No one and nothing is charged with a crime in civil asset forfeiture.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

#54

I've seen it said before and I'll say it again. Anyone who works for companies who make products like this in any capacity should be blacklisted in the industry. The missing scruples here could fill several large containers.

How would this solve anything?

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

#56
post #18

So we can't carry cash, because they'll seize that directly. This device could probably do some sort of run around the new chip system in cards. Bitcoin is nearly useless in the real world. So where does that leave us? Google & Apple Pay on our phones? At least our phones can be password protected.

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Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

#57
This should firmly cement law enforcement's status as thieves rather than civi servants. As if civil asset forfeiture didn't do that already, already making police the #1 class of thieves in the US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-...

To steal and murder! The correct police motto.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

#58

From the article: State Sen. Kyle Loveless, R-Oklahoma City, said that removes due process and the belief that a suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He said we've already seen cases in Oklahoma where police are abusing the system. "We've seen single mom's stuff be taken, a cancer survivor his drugs taken, we saw a Christian band being taken. We've seen innocent people's stuff being taken. We've seen whe…

He's referring to plain-old civil asset forfeiture.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

#59

I've seen it said before and I'll say it again. Anyone who works for companies who make products like this in any capacity should be blacklisted in the industry. The missing scruples here could fill several large containers.

The missing scruples are what make the people responsible for this valuable. You don't want someone who might have a moral crisis working on a product that can and will be easily wielded for abuse.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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post #54

I've seen it said before and I'll say it again. Anyone who works for companies who make products like this in any capacity should be blacklisted in the industry. The missing scruples here could fill several large containers.

How would this solve anything?

In the same way police corruption would be fixed if the good eggs didn't protect the bad ones.
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