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If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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What is wrong with Apache Geode?

How does pointing out a systems use imply something wrong with it?

It was randomly pointed out in the context of a discussion that might be summarized as "the problems India has," so it could reasonably be read as a slight on Geode. I don't think it was meant that way, but I had to read it a couple of times to determine that it wasn't.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Has India reached / is it reaching Peak Child? I know predictions globally are for ~9Bn people, I wonder how much of that will be in India.

No, they haven't. As of 2013, the UN projected India's population to surpass China by 2028, and peak at ca. 1.6 billion in 2050, and fall back to about 1.5 billion by 2100. For comparison China is expected to start declining around 2030, and fall to around 1.1 billion by 2100.

How in the world can someone make anything but a wild ass guess about what the population patterns will be 84 years from now? Even 20 year predictions are dubious IMHO.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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A very real, slightly non-obvious problem is the size of the Indian population itself. There are so many people here that, competition is a stronger emotion than community. To an extent that sometimes it is considered normal to put someone else at risk for your benefit, while self-empathizing along the lines of "Hey, if I don't do it, someone else will stamp on that person to move ahead in life." Competition is every…

Fun fact, the train ticketing systems in India and China using Apache Geode for their backend. Anyway, back to the point, I agree with you. Indian's population situation is really insane. Last time I was in India was in 1998 and the traffic situation was totally insane. All the red lights had "relax" written on them in English in an attempt to calm drivers down. You'd think the 2nd most populated country in the world…

Isn't it the case that when you go to university, you don't choose your major but rather it is chosen for you based on your entrance exam score?

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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> "Oftentimes if you assist someone the police will assume you're helping that person out of guilt." The most charitable way I can think of to describe that might be "one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time." Maybe it's guilt, or maybe it's because the bystander is not a terrible human being?

To the cop it doesn't matter. He just needs someone to blame and look, here's someone who looks kinda guilty.

Sure the case might fall apart in court, but that means going to court and defending yourself, a not inconsiderable expense and time commitment.

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It's worse than that, the incentives are such that it's better to kill than maim: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2... (although this is apparently in question: http://www.snopes.com/chinese-drivers-kill-pedestrians/ ) This is one of those subjects where people like to put moral consequences on the bystanders when it's the rules and larger structures of the society that matter. Driving in I…

Driving in India is only insane to westerners. I have been driving in India for a decade and I dont find it hard at all. Driving in the US though is one of the most stressfull things for me. Part of the stress in US is because of the different side driving, but also a lot because I have to keep in mind a TON of rules - lane markers, speed limits, lane changing etc.- and everyone moves in super high speed so any mista…

> because I have to keep in mind a TON of rules - lane markers, speed limits, lane changing etc.- and everyone moves in super high speed so any mistake can be fatal.

You're really not going to like driving in Germany, then.

Seriously though - the Germans are amazingly good drivers (easily the best in the world), and it's mostly because their training is so thorough. This results in their having a common driving culture, so that going 300 km/hr on their remaining unrestricted/uncongested Autobahn is quite safe.

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"It would be a very touchy subject though as the results of the study will implicate some cultures as more 'evil' than others." You don't say? There is a mighty good chance it is even worse: this is a brain trait, and we know that brain traits are at least partially due to DNA. Anybody who dares to research this one is completely nuts, with or without tenure.

I disagree. I believe there is higher chance that the trait is cultural. But this of course is just derived from my anecdotal observations of human nature. >Anybody who dares to research this one is completely nuts, with or without tenure. What is interesting though is that in the field of anthropology there is total awareness of a certain fact. Throughout all ancient and historical human cultures, women have consist…

> Throughout all ancient and historical human cultures, women have consistently been to certain degrees less privileged and more subservient to men

I suspect that this is largely due to men's greater capacity for violence than women, due to having proportionally more muscle mass.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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> you'll be treated as a witness and have to attend all court proceedings sounds like FUD. why should a witness have to attend any time other than one time to testify (usually as a friendly witness, i imagine forcing hostile testimony is even rarer). court proceedings can include filing various forms which are done by one person or not done at all (causing delays). I don't see anyone dragging you to court to file pap…

It is not FUD. It is a fact and has been the case with lots of accidents in India. If that was not so, the Supreme Court of India would not have approved guidelines on how to treat Good-Samaritans. Read about it here: http://thewire.in/2016/03/30/sc-guidelines-now-protect-good-... . The PIL (filed by SaveLIFE foundation) that enabled this issue to be brought to the notice of the Supreme Court clearly states that 88%…

> fear of legal and procedural hassles

FUD = _fear_, uncertainty, doubt

> unnecessary detention at hospitals

hospital has no power to detain you, unless they are committing you to the psychiatry ward. You stay for the same reason you bring that person to the hospital (to help).

I understand that people in india are afraid. But my point is that it is a fear based on uncertainty and doubt due to ignorance of the law and other reasons (economic) mis attributed to "legal formalities". Its a polite term to use when the real reason is you have better things to do (your own problems to deal with).

> guidelines on how to treat Good-Samaritans.

they sound reasonable and within expected legal procedure to begin with... the reason they might have been issued is because of the FUD, not because the law already doesn't say the same thing...

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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> "[At the hospital", they wait for somebody to give them assurance that they will pay the bill." How can such low levels of humanity be reached at a hospital?

When first visiting the US many years ago I was warned always to carry with me proof of insurance, for otherwise a hospital might not treat me until I could provide some proof that I could pay. I wonder if that was true, whether it's still true, and what the situation really was or is.

Hasn't been true for ages - at least as long as I've lived in the US (since 1990). Hospitals are required to give emergency medical service regardless of insurance or proof of ability to pay if you show up in the ER. An unintended side-effect of that is that it's sadly not at all uncommon for people to show up to the ER for non-emergency services, then stick the public or the hospital with their bill if they can't pay it.

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In the US, a hospital is required to give you emergency treatment first, and figure out how you're going to pay later. If you don't have insurance coverage, that can mean ruinous bills, but no, they don't check before treating you in an emergency situation. For non-emergency stuff, yes, you need to pay or present insurance info up front.

Of course, your definition of emergency might not match the hospitals.

Actually, no - a hospital emergency room in the US has to provide you any needed medical care - full stop.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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When first visiting the US many years ago I was warned always to carry with me proof of insurance, for otherwise a hospital might not treat me until I could provide some proof that I could pay. I wonder if that was true, whether it's still true, and what the situation really was or is.

Hasn't been true for ages - at least as long as I've lived in the US (since 1990). Hospitals are required to give emergency medical service regardless of insurance or proof of ability to pay if you show up in the ER. An unintended side-effect of that is that it's sadly not at all uncommon for people to show up to the ER for non-emergency services, then stick the public or the hospital with their bill if they can't pa…

> Hospitals are required to give emergency medical service regardless of insurance or proof of ability to pay if you show up in the ER.

Hospitals (that take Medicare payments) are required to screen for emergency medical conditions and provide treatment to stabilize any emergency conditions found through the screening if you present at an ER; they are not required to either screen for and diagnose or treat any other conditions.

> An unintended side-effect of that is that it's sadly not at all uncommon for people to show up to the ER for non-emergency services, then stick the public or the hospital with their bill if they can't pay it.

Note that hospitals are not required to screen for, diagnose, or treat non-emergency conditions without regard to ability to pay when a patient presents at an ER.

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