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If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#141
I have a friend who lived in India and one of things he got impressed here in Brazil was how helpful we are, specially in these situations.

Which is weird because as someone said before, I could not sit and watch someone suffering in front of me without attempting to assist too. But if you're inserted into a culture that says "don't be a good samaritan unless you want to be sued for it", you have to think twice.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#142

My family has lived in South India for many decades. India's infrastructure and emergency response in not very good although it has improved over the years. One thing I have observed is - it is the bystanders, the common man who rushe to the aid of victims in case of disasters - accidents, train derailment, floods, earthquakes. I could give you dozens of examples gathered from newspapers and from first hand experienc…

To be fair, all the cases that you mentioned are those where where the police and the system do not look for someone to blame.

The article doesn't disagree with you:

> what safety campaigner Piyush Tewari saw wasn't a lack of compassion but an entire system stacked against helping road victims.

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> He contrasts the reluctance of passers-by to help victims of road accidents with their response to train crashes or bombs blasts. In these cases, he says, "before the police or media arrives everybody's been moved to hospital".

There's also very important information in the article about new guidelines published by the supreme court of India to protect good samaritans.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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China also has similar culture of punishing good samaritans: http://www.businessinsider.com/two-year-old-hit-by-car-in-ch...

It's worse than that, the incentives are such that it's better to kill than maim: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2... (although this is apparently in question: http://www.snopes.com/chinese-drivers-kill-pedestrians/ ) This is one of those subjects where people like to put moral consequences on the bystanders when it's the rules and larger structures of the society that matter. Driving in I…

That is murder. Incentives explain the logical reason why a person is murdered rather than maimed, but it doesn't explain why the chinese person has the ethical framework of a psychopath.

In america, if you injure a victim in a car accident and no one is around, you still have the option of killing the victim and driving away to avoid getting caught. The inventive is the same, you avoid insurance increases and hospital bills. Yet this rarely happens in America!

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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A very real, slightly non-obvious problem is the size of the Indian population itself. There are so many people here that, competition is a stronger emotion than community. To an extent that sometimes it is considered normal to put someone else at risk for your benefit, while self-empathizing along the lines of "Hey, if I don't do it, someone else will stamp on that person to move ahead in life." Competition is every…

There is a saying in Hungarian that could be translated as "the prayer wheel spins faster yonder", that is referring to the extreme levels of population that is observed in India and China.

I think there are too many people in the world overall, and it is unsustainable. The planet could do better with a fourth or fifth of its current population.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#145

When I visited India a couple of years ago, we also observed this indifference towards victims of accidents. Someone noticed that we were puzzled by this a told us that this is due to Indian culture. First, if someone is seriously hurt or killed that's this person's (perhaps deserved) fate. Second, helping others may not be as much a moral imperative as it is in Christian cultures. I don't know whether this is correc…

> Someone noticed that we were puzzled by this a told us that this is due to Indian culture. First, if someone is seriously hurt or killed that's this person's (perhaps deserved) fate.

As an Indian I can tell you that that viewpoint is incorrect. Culture is the last thing that would come in between a good-samaritan and a person in need.

> Second, helping others may not be as much a moral imperative as it is in a Christian culture

Are you implying that Christians don't exist in India? If they do, then why are Christian Indians not coming to the rescue of those who met with an accident? This is a completely incorrect take on the situation. Mixing religion with a social issue is dangerous. Indian culture is good enough that we can accommodate any culture and have been doing so for centuries. To say that we do not have moral fiber is an insult. If that was the case why is it that when there is a terror attack or a natural tragedy in India people help in huge numbers? See the number of people out there to help in the recent Kolkatta Flyover accident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XmvROEYYps

So why do you think that Indians are more than willing to help when there is a natural tragedy / terror attack but not when a single person/family meets with an accident?

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has India reached / is it reaching Peak Child? I know predictions globally are for ~9Bn people, I wonder how much of that will be in India.

India is projected to be one of the twelve countries who together will account for 50% of the world's population growth until 2050, at which point it's assumed India will host 1.7 billion humans. Asia will in total have gone from 4.3 to 5.2 billions, which is by far not as dramatic as the projected growth of Africa from 1.1 billion now to 2.5 billion in 2050. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

> Indian people I have talked to are enthusiastic about the prospect of edging out China in terms of future economy, and population size is seen as the primary means of achieving that.

Huh? The problem with that statement is the sample size. Even if you talked to every Indian person you know (presumably anywhere between 100 and 10000), it will be less than 0.001% of the total population of India.

Edit: Grammer.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#148

When I visited India a couple of years ago, we also observed this indifference towards victims of accidents. Someone noticed that we were puzzled by this a told us that this is due to Indian culture. First, if someone is seriously hurt or killed that's this person's (perhaps deserved) fate. Second, helping others may not be as much a moral imperative as it is in Christian cultures. I don't know whether this is correc…

Very few of us have any morals left. All of us are imperatively corrupt and selfish, top to bottom.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Tragic. I, personally, could not sit idly by and watch, or record, anyone suffering without attempting to assist. Consequences be damned, I would hope for the same assistance if I were injured & needing aid. This is something I have spent a lot of time contemplating lately as I watch people texting while operating multi-ton vehicles at any speed, let alone at 80mph(130kmh)down the highway. I have witnessed a notable…

> Tragic. I, personally, could not sit idly by and watch, or record, anyone suffering without attempting to assist. Consequences be damned, I would hope for the same assistance if I were injured & needing aid. Until last year I would have said the same but then I learned about the harsh reality in the Dominican Republic: A rich person who helps will always be blamed even if one arrived at the crash site an hour after…

Fraudulent traffic accidents is a full time job for some people.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#150

Oh wow, just when I thought I couldn't be more disgusted by India for its rape culture, I come across this. Call me racist but I will never set foot in that country.

So according to you rape culture is not prevalent in any other country except India? Guess what? The number one, numero uno, rape capital of the World is the United States.

I'll quote an article for you: http://www.more.com/news/india-rape-capital-world

"India only ranks third for the number of rapes reported each year. What country ranks first? The United States. In India, a country of over 1.2 billion people, 24,206 rapes were reported in 2011. The same year in the United States, a nation of 300 million, 83,425 rapes were reported. In the United States, every 6.2 minutes a woman is raped."

Whoops! So that means you shouldn't set foot in the US too!!! And if you are already staying in the US pack your bags and move to let's see... How about Saudi Arabia? The reported cases are way lesser than US or India so it should be safe right?

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