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If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somebody did die while we were reading this article. According to the article "Fifteen people are killed every hour in road accidents in India".

Statistics always presents a wrong picture when considered in isolation. Just for the sake of curiosity let us compare statistics of road accidents between USA and India. I'm taking the 2005 US road accident data as a reference: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/02/03/car-crashes-kill-400... So according to the statistics from the above article, approximately 40,000 die every year in USA with 100 people dying every d…

As rfrey says, the number of vehicles is also an interesting stat. Adjusting for the number of vehicles, the death rate in the US is ~1/10 that of India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...

That's using a lower number of deaths for the US (but it really is closer to 35,000 in recent years) and a larger number for deaths in India than you did.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#33
I can't find it now, but there is a video of a dozen pedestrians lifting a double decker in London. It's all started by a single person, but others quickly joined. I wonder where is "helping others" on the Maslow piramid?

Edit: Found: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32993891

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#34
This is a crazy thought but the government or charities could award a random lottery to good-Samaritans?

Then suddenly everyone will want to help.

The only problem is this will also cause fake incidents for fraud purposes. Or people who purposely cause accidents to "help".

But if they can solve that issue, might work?

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I, personally, could not sit idly by and watch, or record, anyone suffering without attempting to assist. We should be careful with this kind of statements. I remember that in Thinking, Fast and Slow , Daniel Kahneman describes an experiment which shows that most people don't actually take action when the responsibility is shared among other people. Of course most people think they would.

It's called the Bystander Effect, and the most disturbing thing about it is that its strength is in proportion to the number of people present. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

Yep. Take charge until an authority arrives. Engage the victim, if conscious, ask questions and gather any info you can to give to 1st responder to arrive on scene. Give direct commands to specific peoples. Do NOT make matters worse by moving the injured unless immediate danger is present. Most importantly, educate yourself/certify beforehand. I used my CPR cert once 25 years ago, yet I still renew it every year.

Oh yeah, when the pro does arrive, don't take it personally if he/she is brusque or 'rude'. They are sometimes brutally efficient.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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Tragic. I, personally, could not sit idly by and watch, or record, anyone suffering without attempting to assist. Consequences be damned, I would hope for the same assistance if I were injured & needing aid. This is something I have spent a lot of time contemplating lately as I watch people texting while operating multi-ton vehicles at any speed, let alone at 80mph(130kmh)down the highway. I have witnessed a notable…

Would you still do that if you had friends or family who had been bankrupted or jailed because they helped a crash victim?

It's easy to say that you would help when it's a hypothetical situation. It's much harder to actually do it when the consequences are staring you in the face. Maybe you still would, but you can't really know how you'd react until you've actually been in that situation.

Indians are not fundamentally different from you and I. The main difference is the situation they're in.

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

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> "Oftentimes if you assist someone the police will assume you're helping that person out of guilt."

The most charitable way I can think of to describe that might be "one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time."

Maybe it's guilt, or maybe it's because the bystander is not a terrible human being?

Re: If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somebody did die while we were reading this article. According to the article "Fifteen people are killed every hour in road accidents in India".

Statistics always presents a wrong picture when considered in isolation. Just for the sake of curiosity let us compare statistics of road accidents between USA and India. I'm taking the 2005 US road accident data as a reference: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/02/03/car-crashes-kill-400... So according to the statistics from the above article, approximately 40,000 die every year in USA with 100 people dying every d…

I suspect that you're making a bit of a mistake yourself in your calculations here if we want to get an understanding of if it's "more accidents" or "access to help when the accident happens" that is more important.

The reason is that you're taking the population of the USA where over 80% have licenses to drive (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/pubs/hf/pl11028/ch...) and comparing with a country where most people don't own cars:

While nearly a third of people living in metros own personal transport, only 15 percent of the rural population own their own vehicle.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/catalyst/driving-indias-...

I think you would really want to compare serious accidents per vehicle mile driven to compare effectiveness of policy and driving behavior across countries.

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