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Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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If someone attacked his friends or family, God help them, because nobody else will. Fairness is not a universal concept. What is fair is determined by who has the bigger clan and the most guns. Some places, that's the state. In far more places than you would believe, the state is too weak to enforce its version of justice, so it's left up to men like Buck and his brother. Are they going to do it to your standards? Pr…

All for the sake of a stolen TV? I seriously doubt Bucks "nice guy" credentials if he resorts to home invasion for his own satisfaction.

Come on. I probably shouldn't respond to your post. But spoken like someone who have never been taken advantage of. Or had so much provided that you didn't care. And home invasion for my own satisfaction? Yes I love fighting for my dignity. It feels great to be walked on.

It wasn't just a "TV". It was my only possession worth anything at all. I've worked nonstop since I was 12. I started working on a farm (not my farm, we had no farm, it was the neighbor's) and delivering papers. No one has ever given me a thing. I was born fighting in my childhood, literally fighting almost daily. My money has come very hard earned. As has any career advancement, skill acquisition. I've never been given a job through a network connection, I don't have a network. I had a full hernia on my right side at 16 from manual labor. And I have a strong sense of justice when something is wrong, like breaking in and taking a poor working guy's $700 television. I was working 35 hours a week to pay for going to school fulltime. That may not have been much money to you, but it was to me. I felt very taken advantage of. You must not know what it feels like to have little and have everything taken from you because it's likely you've had a better existence or maybe life didn't require much grit to get through. I've clawed my way to where I am now. I never had any money. No ones going to take what I have, not a TV, nothing. Even to this day when I have a lot more. Doesn't matter how little it is, over my dead body. Damn right, all for the sake of a "TV".

I am a nice person. I do have some anger but I wouldn't harm a soul that didn't have it coming. I defended the homosexual kids who were bullied in my high school way back when. Verbally and physically. No one did that in the rural midwest. I hated seeing people get picked on. I rarely, if ever picked on anyone. But I have squared off with men who thought I was a target, you'll have to beat me to the ground I'm not quitting. As a developer, I believe people who say "I can't" should be fired on the spot. I feel like I'm ready for retirement and I'm not old. Everything seems like an obstacle. I'm completely sympathetic with poor people in the US and around the world. Hell, I'm a Bernie supporter. But if robbed or my wife is hurt, I'm going to come after you and I'll haunt you like a ghost.

There's a lot of different people on HN. People have different experiences and different perspectives. I think you're over the top with the 'satisfying home invasion' talk though. I know the odds of success when you don't start life at the finish line. People born at the finish line think they've accomplished something. Yeah so what, I've been involved in what is basically gang violence. Not everyone is going to match up with your exact sensibilities.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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The guy has devoted his life to harassing people through litigation. I assume it's profitable enough to keep him in beer & Skittles. Your plan is to become an even more dedicated troll than he is, but doing direct intimidation and violence instead of legal harassment? Sounds like a good way to get a felony conviction.

> The guy has devoted his life to harassing people through litigation. Exactly. He's probably not that well-versed in physical security. Maybe he's got a gun he shoots once in awhile, that's probably going to be the extent of his precautions. He's not going to be some unassailable hermit with aggressively unreasonable defenses. Guys like that are too busy doing that to earn law degrees. So I can learn how to effectiv…

The problem with this intimidation approach is that if it works, then it can be applied not only abusive litigants, but against anyone who who sues.

Society in general and legal system in particular would not want that to happen.

So if you execute that intimidation strategy then you are likely to become a prosecution target of legal system.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimidation

Threat, Criminal threatening (or threatening behavior) is the crime of intentionally or knowingly putting another person in fear of bodily injury. "Threat of harm generally involves a perception of injury...physical or mental damage...act or instance of injury, or a material and detriment or loss to a person."

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But why even go that physical intimidation route at all if there are good legal ways to repel these baseless claims?

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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I don't know their exact involvement, but they were involved. Did they help carry it out? I don't have the play by play. It wasn't a court case and I didn't care. The guys who drove off with it it were staying at their place that night. I knew it was one of two groups of folks or all of them at the house that evening. So I knew damn well I had the right people who could get the situation resolved in an efficient mann…

Sound like you had no idea if these guys had been involved in taking your TV, you just knew they where involved with the group that did. If a bunch of guys broke into your place in similar circumstances, would you be ok with that? > For the record, they weren't harmed until they pulled a gun out It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home.

> It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home.

In a lot of states it would be reasonable to use the gun too.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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You sound like you're trying to win some debate. You shouldn't assume things about someone else's story to win one. Creating your own strawman then proceeding to beat it up about how I invaded their home. When we 'blasted in' we didn't kick the door in. We knocked, started quizzing the guy who answered the door about the TV, one of them said to come on in and look around. Then we blasted in. The gun could've gotten h…

So wait, you entered, and they just pulled a gun? They weren't trying to get you to leave? > Especially well for them, considering they were involved with breaking, entering and theft. You implied that they weren't involved, that some other group was, and they had just stayed there. I've never had my home invaded, do I need to be personally affected to sympathise with it? You don't know me either, I'm just taking you…

Yes it was risky. I thought long and hard before committing that I had the right people. I didn't know specifics on what happened or who exactly was involved, I just knew that they either had it or knew. But I knew it came from there for sure so I went for it. There were many people there. One invited us in, others wanted us out including Billy the Kid.

They definitely made the mistake of inviting us in. We weren't going to break and enter and good chance with a verbal confrontation someone says "come on in!" at some point, which they did. I don't think they knew how serious we were. They weren't expecting us rampaging through. If I was wrong, I was wrong but I either did something or I didn't. I feel like you're asking for perfection when I was just trying to achieve a goal. Bottom line is that I was right and within an hour I had an identical, brand new TV in the box on my front doorstep with an apology. I'm not sure we ever know anything for certain in life right? I had to try.

It is true: I did not have forensic evidence, but I knew it was them. I suppose I could be a bad man but it was a judgement call. I never doubted after that day that I made the right call. It was aggressive but not the worst story I have. Not sure what else to add. I don't remember every detail as time has passed and everything I was told, but I'm pretty sure at least one of those guys helped toss the TV into the pickup truck that carried it away.

They weren't angels right, no one came over to tell me I had been robbed. They were probably going to keep quiet. Maybe bad guys met worse and got an unpleasant surprise.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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He has. I believe this lawsuit predates the official judgment. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/10/01/enoughs-enough...

This fellow came up with some innovative stuff to perpetuate his nasty way of life: "One example, the court noted, is Zavodnik's penchant for making filings under often "bewilderingly lengthy titles" such as: "Appellant's Verified Motion to Compel the Clerk of the Trial Court to Provide the Entire Record as Opposed to the Partial Record and to Extend Time for Brief to Be Filed Due to the Fact that the Appellant Does…

If you think that's amazing, check this out:

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012a...

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Not that this isn't absurd but CL is for shit you can't ship. eBay is for stuff you can. CL acts purely as a platform to list classified ads and leaves dispute resolution up to the users. That's why this happened. Add this to the other 9000 reasons you only do business via CL face to face and with cash. Move along, nothing to see here folks.

Would ebay's contracts or customer support prevent this situation? They have arbitration on-site, but what stops a buyer from going to the legal system?

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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This guy should be packed and shipped back if there is any sanity in the legal system here at all. What a loser who ruins other peoples' life for his ridiculous greed.

I wonder if he has a (destructive) mental illness.. it just seems too far-fetched for him to believe that Costello was conspiring with the judge against him and develop what seems to be a persecution complex.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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That's assuming Zavodnik sent the requests via certified, registered mail. Zavodnik could have easily scribbled the address in unreadable gibberish and slapped a simple 1st class stamp on, in which case they would never have actually been delivered. Costello claims he never received anything.

Usually one needs the delivery receipt associated with a registered letter to prove notification. At least, this was the requirement of notification before I could re-litigate my divorce.

In my jurisdiction the family court, which handles divorce, requires notification via sheriff.

The general district court requires notification via posting on the front door of the last known address and delivery via standard 1st class mail. This can be and is easily abused by cherry picking the last known address used. The plaintiff just needs sign an affidavit that it was the last known address they were aware of. You could challenge that they didn't make a reasonable effort to get a good last known address, but the burden of proof is on you and you won't win.

Also if you rented a property and have vacated it, for example if your lease has ended, your landlord can post on the front door and mail notice to the vacated property and this is considered sufficient notice.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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It might be easier to state that you are selling your time and not the item, the item is a free gift you are giving to the person that you agree to meet with for your time. "Oh you like this printer? Well the printer is free, but if you want it, you have to pay me $40 for 1 second of my time." You meet, say hello. Collect $40. Give the free printer.

You might be surprised at how judges react to that sort of sophomoric cleverness. A better solution is to include a simple waiver form such as you've probably signed a thousand times saying "seller is not responsible for any damages blah blah blah". You can find generic versions of those online.

>sophomoric cleverness

True but my way works for craigslist sales and my gigolo side business, so I've got that going for me..

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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It should but it doesn't obviously. Perhaps a video recording of delivery and asking for a signature should be required. Obviously some defendants could just start running away and refuse to sign, thus delaying the lawsuit forever. But also throwing the packet of paper in a mail with a stamp or dropping it on the front porch while yelling "you've been served" is also not quite cutting it. Something in the middle is n…

You do realize that rules around this already exist, right? For example, in california: https://www.serve-now.com/resources/process-serving-laws/cal...

> You do realize that rules around this already exist, right? For example, in california: https://www.serve-now.com/resources/process-serving-laws/cal....

Except the article talks about Indiana. It helps to read the article. You, did read the article, ... right?

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