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Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

BuckRogers wrote: post #193
Chris2048 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sound like you had no idea if these guys had been involved in taking your TV, you just knew they where involved with the group that did. If a bunch of guys broke into your place in similar circumstances, would you be ok with that? > For the record, they weren't harmed until they pulled a gun out It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home.

You sound like you're trying to win some debate. You shouldn't assume things about someone else's story to win one. Creating your own strawman then proceeding to beat it up about how I invaded their home. When we 'blasted in' we didn't kick the door in. We knocked, started quizzing the guy who answered the door about the TV, one of them said to come on in and look around. Then we blasted in. The gun could've gotten h…

> That guy just needs some anonymous midnight beatings

> Possibly a local child rapist or similar heinous criminal could face my wrath. It would take something like that to activate my mob violence gene

Jesus Christ.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

jimrandomh wrote: post #13

Under a sensible legal system, this is a crime. It's called "barratry": filing baseless lawsuits in order to harass or to extract a settlement. In most US jurisdictions, however, it's not legally recognized as a crime, and so it's widespread. From a defendant's point of view, however, it's basically equivalent to getting mugged.

Barratry does exist in the US. It's just not enforced at all and considered a misdemeanor in most states. When you look at how long it took for Jack Thompson to be disbarred it's obvious that the real problem is the lack of any accountability in a system wholly run by lawyers.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by SolarNet »

adekok wrote: post #132
nickff wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that it seems that the judge made the legally correct determination, and that the majority of judges understand that this type of suit is ridiculous, but they have no tools to stop it.

> The problem is that it seems that the judge made the legally correct determination, Judges are supposed to use some digression. I doubt very much that the litigants losses for a $40 printer are $30K. Especially since he conveniently lost the printer. I just don't believe that there are any laws which require the judge to (a) decide in the litigants favor with zero supporting evidence, and (b) allow $30K in damages…

> Judges are supposed to use some digression.

Yes, and they do, however sometimes their hands are tied. In this case by rule 36 of a series of peer approved rules which states what action the judge in this case has to take. When submitted to appeal the judges who passed the rules then said the ruling "had no basis in reality" about their own rules, hopefully they will fix them and/or future judges will use this as precedent to in cases like this.

This part of the system is functioning correctly, it's the ridiculous litigation from pro-se plaintiffs that's at fault. Most jurisdictions have an equivalent to spam filter that passes down criminal charges on people who act like this.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by ChuckMcM »

slapshot wrote: post #117
walrus01 wrote: post #111

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How has this asshat not been declared a 'vexatious litigant' by some court? There's a legal process to deal with people who file an exceptionally larger volume of repeated bullshit lawsuits.

He has. I believe this lawsuit predates the official judgment. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/10/01/enoughs-enough...

Hmm my money is on him moving to a different state and picking up there.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by arbuge »

slapshot wrote: post #117
walrus01 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How has this asshat not been declared a 'vexatious litigant' by some court? There's a legal process to deal with people who file an exceptionally larger volume of repeated bullshit lawsuits.

He has. I believe this lawsuit predates the official judgment. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/10/01/enoughs-enough...

This fellow came up with some innovative stuff to perpetuate his nasty way of life:

"One example, the court noted, is Zavodnik's penchant for making filings under often "bewilderingly lengthy titles" such as:

"Appellant's Verified Motion to Compel the Clerk of the Trial Court to Provide the Entire Record as Opposed to the Partial Record and to Extend Time for Brief to Be Filed Due to the Fact that the Appellant Does Not Have the Full Certified Record and the Record Needs to Be Complete and Fixed (Which Will Require Time) Because of the Clerk's Error in Providing Only a Partial Record or Alternatively to Relinquish Jurisdiction Back to the Trial Court by Mandating It to Fix the Record (the CCS) and to Provide the Court of Appeals and the Parties with the Corrected Full and Complete Fixed Record or Alternatively to Order the Clerk of this Court to Fix the CCS and to Provide the Complete Record or Alternatively to Allow the Appellant to Use His Own CCS Printed out by Him from the Odyssey Website."

The rambling titles burden court personnel and opposing parties and other attorneys, who must struggle with Zavodnik's filings."

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by Chris2048 »

vinceguidry wrote: post #190
Chris2048 wrote: post #188

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Guilt by association? So if anyone attacks his friends or family, alls fair, because they chose to associate with the kind of person that would illegally invade someones house with a mob...

If someone attacked his friends or family, God help them, because nobody else will. Fairness is not a universal concept. What is fair is determined by who has the bigger clan and the most guns. Some places, that's the state. In far more places than you would believe, the state is too weak to enforce its version of justice, so it's left up to men like Buck and his brother. Are they going to do it to your standards? Pr…

All for the sake of a stolen TV? I seriously doubt Bucks "nice guy" credentials if he resorts to home invasion for his own satisfaction.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by thisisdave »

mjolk wrote: post #62

>The printer's buyer was Gersh Zavodnik, a 54-year-old Indianapolis man known to many in the legal community as a frequent lawsuit filer who also represents himself in court. The Indiana Supreme Court said the "prolific, abusive litigant" has brought dozens of lawsuits against individuals and businesses, often asking for astronomical damages...Zavodnik, a native of Ukraine who moved to the United States in 1987 under…

>bring an end to this smug conman's thievery

If the courts declare him a "vexatious litigant", he'd have a much harder time filing these suits.

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by TrickzOnU »

sgustard wrote: post #155
adekok wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that it seems that the judge made the legally correct determination, Judges are supposed to use some digression. I doubt very much that the litigants losses for a $40 printer are $30K. Especially since he conveniently lost the printer. I just don't believe that there are any laws which require the judge to (a) decide in the litigants favor with zero supporting evidence, and (b) allow $30K in damages…

As quoted, "Edens acknowledged the amount is "seemingly high" and the judgment "may seem extreme for the breach of contract for the purchase of a printer." But he wrote that he's constrained by how the Supreme Court had previously interpreted a state trial rule, called Rule 36, which sets the 30-day deadline for responding to requests for admissions."

Arent such notices supposed to be handed in person via a process server? How could the person be held liable for a default judgement without being personally handed court documents?

Re: Man sued for $30K over $40 printer he sold on Craigslist

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Post by Chris2048 »

BuckRogers wrote: post #193
Chris2048 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sound like you had no idea if these guys had been involved in taking your TV, you just knew they where involved with the group that did. If a bunch of guys broke into your place in similar circumstances, would you be ok with that? > For the record, they weren't harmed until they pulled a gun out It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home.

You sound like you're trying to win some debate. You shouldn't assume things about someone else's story to win one. Creating your own strawman then proceeding to beat it up about how I invaded their home. When we 'blasted in' we didn't kick the door in. We knocked, started quizzing the guy who answered the door about the TV, one of them said to come on in and look around. Then we blasted in. The gun could've gotten h…

So wait, you entered, and they just pulled a gun? They weren't trying to get you to leave?

> Especially well for them, considering they were involved with breaking, entering and theft.

You implied that they weren't involved, that some other group was, and they had just stayed there.

I've never had my home invaded, do I need to be personally affected to sympathise with it?

You don't know me either, I'm just taking your post at face-value. it suggested you turned someones place upside down, despite having only the suspicion that they associated with the people that took it.

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