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Read this back to back with grugq's post today, although standing on its own the level of vitriol Farr describes over the LT would give me pause: http://grugq.tumblr.com/post/145440005263 "Why Misogynists Make Great Informants: How Gender Violence on the Left Enables State Violence in Radical Movements" Never met Farr, but it's always sad to hear stories where positive contributors are ground down by this sort of una…
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As a counter anecdote: I don't know those people, I "know" Nick and trust him so his story is much more credible than "random twitter accounts spouting filth" to me. Hell, the puellavulnerata account rings too many avoidavoid-bells learned in 25 years of internet to me. I do not believe in any way that the gender alone can be deemed responsible for your observation. What makes you even think that the same people who…
Andrea is a well known Tor developer with a solid track record. If you don't know of her and discount what she says because of "25 years" of whatever kind of bullshit bells ring in your mind... that says a lot more about you than it does about her.
I note that he does not deny any of Nick's factual claims. The denial is only of "criminal sexual misconduct", which is a legal claim (what misconduct counts as criminal?) rather than a denial of the specific factual allegations made @ http://jacobappelbaum.net/ (however they may be legally construed).
I can understand why Jake may not want to engage with them in detail — doing so would almost certainly raise more questions than it answers — but AFAICT, this is functionally a non-denial denial.
One thing I don't understand from Nick's piece (etc.) is whether the referenced "plagiarism" means only Jake insisting on alphabetical author order (thus making it seem like he did most of the work when he didn't) or something else.
It's also saddening to read of yet another of us committing suicide, whatever the circumstances. Having read other comments, I now realize what this referred to. I suppose it's fortunate that it is not yet another, but that loss is no less saddening for the time passed since. (FWIW, I've stayed with that person's partner at one point. They were incredibly kind to me at time that was difficult for both of us.)
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Repeating two comments I made on Nick's Medium article:
1. Nick: in my limited experiences with you, you’ve been one of the most warm & welcoming people in the hacker community. I hope that at some point you get back your health and manage to resume attending conferences. Take care of yourself.
2. Jake espouses very hard line principles of source protection, right to speak, fighting bad speech with more speech, etc. I generally agree with him on those principles. (I’d rather not go into my opinion on his personality.)
If Jake had gotten the kind of threats from Nick that Nick describes getting from Jake, there’s no way in hell he’d comply. He’d probably have an aneurism, irretrievably commit the documents to public view after thoroughly anonymizing them, and make it very, very public.
Kudos to Nick for both protecting his source and trying to handle this issue with tact. It’s indefensible that Nick was treated this way for doing so, and a loss to the community for him to have come to harm for it.
The notes left on his hotel bed daily are the strangest part. Implying Jake is a Fed, or his supporters were actively compromising his physical security?
This makes me glad I use a fake name at the hotel for DEFCON.
Edit: The requirement is explained under https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meldeschein for those who speak German. Basically, hotels and similar operations are required to record the data, mainly to properly apply hotel taxes. Side effect: together with the new registration requirement (you MUST notify that you have moved into a new apartment), and landlords actually being liable if renters don't abide, it makes it extremely hard for wanted persons to live in Germany.
What we have here is a set of social engineers social engineering an ouster of a fellow social engineer from the fellowship of his fellow social engineers. Welcome to the snake pit. No matter what all of you may think of the stand-up-ness of any of the folks involved, there are strong agendas in whomever is presenting a case here. I, for one, am no longer involved in the Tor Project, but I am the founding executive d…
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11847211
This Internet mob BS is (a) avoiding the best route (police/court) for people involved to resolve the alleged crime and (b) wasting too much time that can be spent on privacy or activism work. I recall far as Hoover days the regimes Tor fights sought to create exactly these sorts of situations to weaken citizens. Best to not help them.
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Generally, my friend, if there is a crowd with torches and pitchforks approaching, it does not matter what the guilt is in the situation, one retreats and does not show ones head for a long time, or one will lose it. You are just lending yourself to number of the many judges of the court of public opinion now, yes? Here, you may take up the torch and pitchfork of office. Wield them proudly. If you can't catch Jake, w…
That's a slippery slope fallacy. Did you read the link above in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842751 ?
The "slippery slope" is not a logical fallacy, but calling it one is a great rhetorical measure to shut someone up if you don't like their argument.
Similarly, the argument you cite above, if properly applied, is valid. How about McCarthyism and such campaigns. You obviously have to protect our precious bodily fluids. It is as easy to frame this as a way to put Jake in the framing of one of the last remaining purity taboos, framed as an anonymous anarchist group. How can an anarchist advocate of anonymity object?
Except that an anarchist would contract to confront a problem with all aggrieved parties in the open, not like this witch hunt. So these people are not acting like anarchists, they are just ducking state mechanisms and summoning a mob.
This is what puts anarchy in ill repute with the general public. It's not what anarchy calls for in these cases. So I am trying to act like a responsible anarchist and picking up his advocacy. If someone from that crowd wants to pick up their advocacy and Jake actually authorizes representation outside a court (which he hasn't, btw) maybe we can have a moot.
Otherwise, this is a mob.
It's disturbing that so many tech communities these days seem to be incapable of handling such things without some kind of public showdown that involves social media. If the accusations are false, I wouldn't want to be at a conference where a bunch of people would pile onto someone (for whatever reason) to ruin the person's reputation. If accusations are true, I wouldn't want to be at a conference where someone can b…
Maybe many tech communities are capable, and you just don't realize it because they're not having public showdowns.
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This makes me glad I use a fake name at the hotel for DEFCON.
Be lucky you Americans can do that. In Germany, impossible. Edit: The requirement is explained under https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meldeschein for those who speak German. Basically, hotels and similar operations are required to record the data, mainly to properly apply hotel taxes. Side effect: together with the new registration requirement (you MUST notify that you have moved into a new apartment), and landlords act…
What we have here is a set of social engineers social engineering an ouster of a fellow social engineer from the fellowship of his fellow social engineers. Welcome to the snake pit. No matter what all of you may think of the stand-up-ness of any of the folks involved, there are strong agendas in whomever is presenting a case here. I, for one, am no longer involved in the Tor Project, but I am the founding executive d…
Well-said. I said something similar in my comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11847211 This Internet mob BS is (a) avoiding the best route (police/court) for people involved to resolve the alleged crime and (b) wasting too much time that can be spent on privacy or activism work. I recall far as Hoover days the regimes Tor fights sought to create exactly these sorts of situations to weaken citizens. Best to…
"""I agree under 2nd Amendment authority. All others have to be exhausted, though, before that can apply. So, first try your Congress people about passing laws limiting it. See if the LEO's will do anything about the abuse. Try the courts. If they all ignore the corrupt behavior, you're left with no choice but using violence to deter the aggressor. Just make it untraceable with an alibi."""
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Journalism [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Detention_and_...