Since this page states" "Most illegal immigration is not included" I'd like to see one of these representing the flow of illegal immigrants (especially from and across Mexico) since Obama won his first election (and second).
Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data is a bit skewed, because the biggest flow is in the 19th century, but it shows the borders of the Federal Republic of Germany (1949) not the German Confederation (1815), which included Austria (which itself was much bigger, including Hungary etc.) and Prussia (which was basically where Poland is today). There really was no "Germany" back then, just German speaking states, which fought wars against each other…
Here is the data source: http://metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/usa-immigrat... The footnotes on page 11 give a good explanation. For the most part, Austria, Hungary, and Poland are broken out separately according to their present borders, even for the periods when they weren't separate countries.
Maybe I misunderstand what is said on page 16, but to me it seems like foreign nationals like Polish people are included in other countries data. So the data is bound to geographical areas not nationalities, while the interactive map shows today's geographical boundaries, which don't included said geographical areas and nationalities anymore, making the data skewed.
How was the data gathered? Depending on what you asked a Hungarian from 1850, you might have gotten 3 different countries.
Where are you from? Austria.
What nationality are you? Hungarian.
What state are you from? Germany.
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#43This seems to exclude forced immigration from Africa, which was a large majority until halfway the 19th century. They are taken into account in the same site's visualisation of New Yorkers: http://metrocosm.com/where-new-yorkers-come-from/
No, importation of slaves to the U.S. was banned in 1808. Most slaves were native-born, to slaves and descendants of slaves.
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#44Awesome viz! Would like some perspective on the overall volume, too. Maybe add a bar chart above the timeline/slider showing total immigration in each year? Maybe even alongside a graph of total US population growth so it's clear how much of the growth is due to immigration.
Also don’t forget emigration. I don’t know the numbers for the US but for example in the EU some countries had more emigrants than immigrants during some years (e.g. Spain in 2010).
(edit: clarification)
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#45why are you using an iframe?
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#46In the last 10 years, immigration has really picked up from all over the world, whereas earlier it was just a few countries.
That's because in the last ten years, America has proven to have a great quality of life. Clean roads, better facilities and plenty of well paying jobs.
Other countries have that, too, some to a better extent. What they don't have is Hollywood and the English language.
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#47Does "United Kingdom" in the early 20th century mean just the British Isles? Or is India, Australia, Middle East also included under "UK"?
Here is an explanation I like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
And it gets even more complicated:
Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820
#48Didn't know so much Germans came to the US back in the days.
German-Americans are (were?) the largest group in the US. It almost seems a miracle that German didn't become the main language in the US. I guess that since the dominant groups were English-speaking they had to adapt in order to get jobs.
Back then, it was like Spanish is in California. You see it everywhere, a huge number of people speak it, and there are a lot of Spanish-language media. However, English is still the dominant language.
German used to be everywhere, being heard in the streets, with large numbers of German-language newspapers and cultural clubs. The Germans, being Germans, liked to organize themselves into clubs.
It gradually died out, as immigrants stopped teaching it to their children. Usually the children of immigrants learned the language at home, but they didn't usually pass it on to their children. World Wars I and II did a huge amount to suppress German culture and language, but it would have eventually died out anyways.
By World War II, German was still common enough that the Army was able to find large numbers of German interpreters among the young men who had spoken it with their parents.
My grandmother knew German as a child, but the language in the family had switched to English by the time she was about 10 years old. Once she was grown, she wasn't married to a German speaker, and hadn't spoken it in years anyway, so none of her descendants learned it. By the time I talked to her about it in her 80s, the only German she could remember were a few lines of some children's poem she recited when she was a child.
I suspect that this will eventually happen to Spanish, although the continued migration of Spanish-speaking immigrants will slow down the process. Eventually, the non-Spanish-speaking descendants will greatly outnumber those who speak Spanish, and the language will slowly decline.
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#49We're gonna build a dome around the continental US and make the united nations pay for it!!
Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820
#50This seems to exclude forced immigration from Africa, which was a large majority until halfway the 19th century. They are taken into account in the same site's visualisation of New Yorkers: http://metrocosm.com/where-new-yorkers-come-from/
No, importation of slaves to the U.S. was banned in 1808. Most slaves were native-born, to slaves and descendants of slaves.
The case of the Amistad in 1839 (fictionalised in a famous Spielberg movie) shows that this was not at all the case in reality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._The_Amistad
I'm sure many slaves were slave-born in that period, but it seems they were still importing people from Africa en masse.