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Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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Re: Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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While I hear you, and in many ways agree, I will say that, when I was a homeowner, I had a next-door neighbor who always parked his cars in front of my house instead of his own (he filled his garage with stuff.) Yes, it was a public street and yes, he had the legal right to do so, but it was pretty annoying to have to look at his cars when he had clearly wanted to avoid looking at them himself. After a while, I began…

Yes, this is when I've had a problem with it as well. A neighbor has the option of parking in front of his own house, or mine. He chooses mine, which results in a longer walk for him. Why would he do this? Because he doesn't like having a car parked in front of his house. Implicitly acknowledging that he sees having a car parked in front of the house is a bad thing, and by relieving himself of that bad thing, he's im…

Not a home-owner here, so I don't understand: why is having a car parked in front of your house a bad thing?

Re: Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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The newer neighborhoods in Phoenix are designed on purpose to prevent this type of cut-through traffic. The northern Glendale area where my house is has luxuriously broad thoroughfares with three lanes in each direction, plus usually an extra right turn lane and left turn lane at intersections, plus a median that accommodates incidental left turns without interrupting traffic flow. From a driving point of view, these roads are virtually perfect.

But the minute you enter the neighborhoods, which tend to have walls between the houses and the main roads to keep down the noise, the roads become curly-cue winding paths with T-intersections and dead ends all over the place. The point is, you can easily get to your house, and you can easily get to various outlets to a major road or to the minor "partial cut-throughs" that are really only useful to the residents. But few will use the neighborhoods as cut-throughs.

I would suppose Waze is not of much value in this type of district, except maybe to warn you to reroute from one major road to the other.

Maybe the residents of these cut-through neighborhoods alluded to in the article should introduce more speed bumps and stop signs to "calm" the traffic and make their roads less desirable alternatives. In some cases, creating one-ways is also useful if it doesn't inconvenience the residents too much. Parking on the street, if legal, would also impede traffic, forcing people to cross lanes or wait.

It would also help to have the main thoroughfares be properly widened and maintained as in the Phoenix example, don't allow major road and sewage maintenance during rush hour, etc.

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I've seen one instance where homeowners in the neighborhood vetoed a proposal to have a centerline painted on a broad street through the neighborhood. Total width was probably about 3 lanes, and many people used it as a "cut through", and going pretty fast. However, painting a centerline would have made property values go down, the homeowners argued, as that would have meant that the street was no longer a residentia…

Studies have shown that traffic is slower on roads without lines. If your goal is to slow down traffic you don't want a line.

Conversely, painting lines, and narrowing the "american standard" lane width will slow drivers down, as the more narrow lane makes drivers feel like they are going faster. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14668160 http://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/stree...

Re: Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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> Why doesn't society tell people "keep to the right lane" or "signal your turns"? It's funny, because I live in California, and I find myself wanting to yell these things a people all the time .

"Keep Right Except to Pass" is a pretty common sign. And in at least some states you can be ticketed for improper lane use and failure to signal.

It is, in fact, the law through most of the USA. But have you ever heard of anyone getting a ticket for it?

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> It's nothing against you but is this a common opinion in the US? People in neighborhoods "own" the streets? Yes. In many suburban neighborhoods (especially predominantly white ones) people will give you dirty looks if you are a stranger walking around. If you are black many white people will call the police.

Wow.. what? Do you have any data to back that up? I don't, but from personal experience I have never seen police stopping black people in my neighborhood who are walking around.

Oh boy! Check out the police blotter for this sleepy little town only five miles from Palo Alto, right in the heart of the Valley: http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_18770819

"A woman told police someone rang her doorbell but when she called out to ask who it was, no one answered. Police responded and determined the visitor had delivered a package. A resident called police to report that someone had tipped over his recycling containers. A man was reported to be lying on the ground, possibly writing. A person reported a man tried to hide his face, then turned and walked away."

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> A grid-based layout might mean more through traffic, but the traffic can filter through many, many different cross-routes rather than funnelling through the singular optimal route. That singular optimal route funnels traffic away from my kids riding bikes, playing street hockey, drawing chalk cities, or anything else their little minds can come up with. It's why houses on a 'quiet street' are coveted, and sell for…

About a year ago, a traffic accident caused Waze to route me through a residential area. I actually respected the speed limit as I went through, and at one point saw kids playing in the street just as I was making a turn, so I slowed further. That didn't stop some busybody dad from flagging me down. I opened my window and he told me I'd better slow down (I had) because there were kids playing. My response to him was…

Perhaps the kids were playing in the street because that dad had earlier told them, "stay the hell off my lawn!"

Re: Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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Portraying this as a sense of "owning" the street is unneccessarily perjorative, IMHO. I don't think that many people would argue with the idea that, all else being equal, having less traffic on the street in front of your house is a good thing. Less noise, less polution, less risk of pets and children getting hit by cars. So it shouldn't be surprising that people dislike it when traffic in front of their houses incr…

I think the point was more along the lines of "you don't get to appropriate the road that I helped fund with tax money and that belongs to everyone". I support that, actually. If it's a public road and I drive legally and responsibly then there's no problem. Just because your house is big doesn't mean that it's a farm where all surrounding land belongs to you.

I guess I can understand that feeling. Let's break it down though:

"you don't get to appropriate the road that I helped fund with tax money and that belongs to everyone"

When Waze sends me off into some neighborhood it's not usually someplace I'm familiar with, certainly not even the same town I pay taxes in i.e. I didn't help fund that road.

"If it's a public road and I drive legally and responsibly then there's no problem."

The thing is, people often don't drive responsibly except in their own neighborhood (and maybe not even then). I saw a sign once that said something along the lines "Please drive like your own kids play here." The people who take a short cut to save time are probably not the ones who are willing to go 20 miles an hour looking for kids on bikes, house cats in roads, etc.

Re: Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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I'm a homeowner and an active Waze user. The street I live on is not "my" street. It's a public street that any licensed driver may use. I did have an issue with drivers coming around a blind curve too quickly to be safe, though, so I did what these homeowners ought to be doing and contacted my local government about getting my street assessed for a traffic calming project. The city created a three-way stop before th…

Traffic calming hurts emergency service response. Ambulances have to slow down to a crawl thru this "calming." Buyer beware.

source?

Re: Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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I'm a homeowner and an active Waze user. The street I live on is not "my" street. It's a public street that any licensed driver may use. I did have an issue with drivers coming around a blind curve too quickly to be safe, though, so I did what these homeowners ought to be doing and contacted my local government about getting my street assessed for a traffic calming project. The city created a three-way stop before th…

Traffic calming hurts emergency service response. Ambulances have to slow down to a crawl thru this "calming." Buyer beware.

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Re: Traffic-weary homeowners and Waze are at war

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As a Waze user, this has actually been a source of increasing frustration for me. I do not want to save 1-3 minutes on a commute by cutting through unfamiliar residential areas where deaf kids play and homeowners give me dirty looks as I go over their oversized speed bumps. I use Waze not so much as a super-optimal routing tool, but as an aggravation-avoidance tool. Traffic and speed-traps aggravate me, sure... but n…

I stopped using Waze because of its nutty directions: deep dives into neighborhoods, stop signs every two blocks, piles of turns, circuitous routes, etc. I do not like coming to a complete stop every two blocks, I'll take 5mph continuous over that. I do not like dumping my traffic annoyances onto neighborhoods who didn't voluntarily agree to increased traffic just to make my commute shorter, this is free loading and…

Same. Waze is absolutely useless in Los Angeles. Every alternate route for my commute from the valley to the westside is full of worst traffic than the 405 yet it continuously recommends surface streets. These alternate routes that are supposed to save me 2-3 minutes often take much longer so it's completely inaccurate.

I'm curious if there is some threshold of traffic at which these algorithms can no longer be accurate. If so, Los Angeles has long passed this threshold.

I've stopped using Waze or any comparable apps long ago.

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