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Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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I'm not aware of any other show that so seamlessly combines rip-roaringly funny comedy with essential insight into the way our society and system of government is deeply flawed. And on top of that, he even manages to direct action to fix the issues he draws attention to -- taking down the FCC website being one example[1]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/03/john-oliv...

It's a good show (he's funny and you learn stuff) but it's way too preachy. He gets just a little too excited about things that are basically impossible for anyone to get excited about. Clearly pandering to the young, left crowd. I'm sure it makes some people feel very warm at night but it gives me a bad taste in my mouth after binge watching.

>> He gets just a little too excited about things that are basically impossible for anyone to get excited about.

That's his point. He does this deliberately so as to bring important subject to the front that would otherwise be ignored by his audience. Case in point, look what he did with net neutrality. The government got the message on that one ("I am not a dingo").

Honestly, his rant about Harper brought out enough apathetic voters that I think he may have swayed the last Canadian election. No Canadian outlet had put together the clips to show exactly how nuts harper had become in recent years. Those who otherwise didn't care about the parties were rallied to at least send him packing. That sort of realworld impact is something over and above what Stewart ever accomplished with his more populous approach.

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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You could probably use debt forgiveness as a collection technique: If the person doesn't agree to start paying it back, you threaten to forgive the entire amount all at once in a way that is not tax-advantageous. Now you owe taxes on your $80k of extra income(forgiven debt), and the government is less lenient than banks when they're collecting tax debt.

They might eventually be able to get it discharged, but it'd require them to declare bankruptcy.

I don't know: It might be too subtle to scare people with. The kinds of people who could easily understand this tactic in a one-page letter are probably not the kinds of people in debt.

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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My main problem with John Oliver is that he often chimes in on subjects he doesn't know anything about with folksy common sense logic that is often wrong. I remember him mocking some system for using tapes for storage on the belief that a technology that is so old cannot possibly be useful in modern technologies. In his latest clip, he mocks information being passed by Excel. How does he think things happen? Some mag…

Tape as backups are arguably still valuable, but any important information being passed by Excel is a travesty . I've worked on the quant side of things and trading securities has standard protocols (primarily FIX, but more esoteric protocols are used by some MM's). I've worked with insurance conglomerates - health information has HL7 for EHR. Purchase orders between Walmart and their suppliers use EDI. All of these…

A working vendor-compatible HL7 implementation is certainly magical.

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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Use the Tor Browser.

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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I don't get how an insurance won't cover something. Isn't that the point of Obama forcing you to buy insurance these days?

Corporate welfare at its finest. The cheapest plan I can find is about $250 per month and has something like a $10K limit. It's a fucking joke. Two years ago I was able to get a reasonable plan that actually covered part of my doctor visit and prescriptions for less than $100/month. Mots of the insurance companies in my state have been run out of business leaving you with basically one giant provider and a no-name co…

The fact that the benefits are defined in terms of dollars is the problem. There's nothing preventing a hospital from charging you 10000 dollars for a bandage.

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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It is very preachy but the problem is that often he talks about highly abused topics. - debt collection - voter identification and voter fraud - abortion clinic laws - trump And he doesn't ever state things as "fact" when it is speculation. He only specifies facts when they are facts. And he never tries to push opinions into sort-of-kind-of factual sounding things like most news sites. How would you talk about a topi…

Not saying I do or don't agree with him, but you don't have to be wrong to be preachy. When you're a comedian you need to be at least 80% funny. If you're 50% funny 50% preachy I'm not going to bother. Southpark use to danced this line pretty successfully.

I think the reason he sounds preachy even more so than Stewart is that he uses a lot of over the top analogies over and over again.

I think he (Oliver) is funny but I prefer the Colbert and Southpark satirical model as well. For some reason satire just seems less "preachy" even though it can be just as much so.

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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At the end of the day it's a comedy show not a news show and his job is to make people laugh. You can't make people laugh with jokes about insider domain knowledge only possessed by experts. If you consider the constraint that Last Week Tonight is primarily a comedy show themed around important newsworthy issues rather than an investigative journalism show it's hard to imagine it done any better.

Have you ever heard the phrase 'it's funny because it's true'? If he's not going to actually consider the facts, why make jokes about current affairs rather than just totally making things up?

But sometimes it's funnier when it's not true, which some "trusted as news" comedy shows are well known for.

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> At the end of the day it's a comedy show not a news show and his job is to make people laugh He and Jon Stewart keep (kept in the case of Jon) using this excuse when they get things wrong, but when they get things right they take all the glory they can get. The show(s) have to have some sort of accountability. For example Couric was just ripped for adding 6 seconds of dead air on a documentary....but that's literal…

> using this excuse when they get things wrong That's exactly what it is. It's the equivalent of those people on YouTube who assault someone and then say 'it was just a prank!' I think making fun of someone and trashing their reputation without being super careful to check all the facts first is really nasty and I don't like watching either of their shows.

That's incorrect, at the Daily Show they have a large fact checking team because they want their jokes to be based in fact. The Daily Show has also done apologies and retractions when they were incorrect. It is a comedy show but they are working hard to be correct, there's a great episode of NPR's Fresh Air where they speak with a Daily Show producer about exactly this issue.

Edit: I have heard Stewart say "we're not the news" in response to questions like "Do you feel a responsibility to cover every important issue?" where "we're not the news" means they only cover issues they can make funny (an example of something perhaps too sad to make funny is the Flint water crisis)

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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You could probably use debt forgiveness as a collection technique: If the person doesn't agree to start paying it back, you threaten to forgive the entire amount all at once in a way that is not tax-advantageous. Now you owe taxes on your $80k of extra income(forgiven debt), and the government is less lenient than banks when they're collecting tax debt. They might eventually be able to get it discharged, but it'd req…

How exactly is forgiven debt considered income?

Re: John Oliver buys $15M in debt and forgives all of it on 'Last Week Tonight'

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Have you ever heard the phrase 'it's funny because it's true'? If he's not going to actually consider the facts, why make jokes about current affairs rather than just totally making things up?

But sometimes it's funnier when it's not true, which some "trusted as news" comedy shows are well known for.

I think it's basically bullying. I'm sure bullying people is more funny than being nice for the bullies as well.
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