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The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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India has a misguided government that is crippled by bureaucracy and incompetent. The country would be in much better shape if it was still controlled by the British.

Please keep nationalistic grandstanding off HN. We don't want this kind of flamewar here, and HN's many Indian readers have a right (as does anyone else) not to see their country insulted on this site.

It's a joke: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-10/marc-andre...

Edit: at least I think it is.

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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India has a misguided government that is crippled by bureaucracy and incompetent. The country would be in much better shape if it was still controlled by the British.

Please keep nationalistic grandstanding off HN. We don't want this kind of flamewar here, and HN's many Indian readers have a right (as does anyone else) not to see their country insulted on this site.

Does that apply to United States readers?

There are certainly many criticisms of or insults to our country that a lot of our countrymen would prefer to not see.

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep nationalistic grandstanding off HN. We don't want this kind of flamewar here, and HN's many Indian readers have a right (as does anyone else) not to see their country insulted on this site.

It's a joke: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-10/marc-andre... Edit: at least I think it is.

I don't think it was a joke.

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep nationalistic grandstanding off HN. We don't want this kind of flamewar here, and HN's many Indian readers have a right (as does anyone else) not to see their country insulted on this site.

Does that apply to United States readers? There are certainly many criticisms of or insults to our country that a lot of our countrymen would prefer to not see.

Sure it does. I don't think the bar can be "prefer not to see", since most people prefer not to see things that they disagree with. But if a comment is substanceless enough to be an outright national slur, we'd react the same way (and have indeed done so).

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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Basically you need to bribe everyone to do anything in India. Not sure if this is something Apple is ready for.

While there is tons of corruption in India; this isn't an example of it. It's just another example of a policy that doesn't gel well with the western business models. This isn't something that you can brush aside with a bribe, it's a policy created for a reason. Not to extract bribe money.

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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India has a misguided government that is crippled by bureaucracy and incompetent. The country would be in much better shape if it was still controlled by the British.

Please keep nationalistic grandstanding off HN. We don't want this kind of flamewar here, and HN's many Indian readers have a right (as does anyone else) not to see their country insulted on this site.

Indian here and I'm sure that I, nor anyone else, has any such right that you speak of.

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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India has a misguided government that is crippled by bureaucracy and incompetent. The country would be in much better shape if it was still controlled by the British.

Please keep nationalistic grandstanding off HN. We don't want this kind of flamewar here, and HN's many Indian readers have a right (as does anyone else) not to see their country insulted on this site.

EDIT: Looks like the comment in question was about India being better off under the British. Which probably deserves deletion. Leaving my comment for posterity but nothing to worry about here.

I'm sorry, but I feel like the comment from OP does have a place in this discussion, given the context of the article. I agree it could have been worded in better ways, but an argument that India's bureaucracy is corrupt is not a groundless insult nor completely irrelevant to the article here. I'm not sure how closely you follow Indian politics but I'd refer you to the last national election and the emergence of the Aam Admi Party, both driven in large part by popular frustration at pervasive bureaucratic corruption (eg how telecom spectrum was awarded by the previous administration). In fact, it'd be hard to argue that India's bureaucracy doesn't have a history of bribery to some degree, especially in cases when it comes to regulators and companies.

Again, I think OP could have done a better job phrasing his point, perhaps pointing out how regulation unfavorable to Apple actually might point to less tolerance of corruption at high levels. But I think simply censoring dicscussion of corruption as nationalistic grandstanding is heavy-handed. In other contexts, making comments about political lobbying in the US as corruption would not be considered nationalistic. I don't see why it should be here either.

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI: India went from 27% of world income to 3% under colonial rule

Source/context? There was no such thing as "India" before colonial rule. The idea of India as a cohesive entity is a colonial and post-colonial innovation. Hinduism was never even a cohesive entity before British rule, it was the orientalist scholars that classified it based on many similar belief systems. http://www.e-ir.info/2012/11/26/the-impact-of-european-colon...

I seem to have ticked some people off with that statement, but it's factual. The idea of "India" as a nation just didn't exist. To say that the "income" (whatever that means) of India changed under colonization is incoherent without context.

That's not the same as saying that the people in what is now India didn't exist or share many of the same traditions and cultures, but it was not a cohesive unit, let alone a nation with a national identity.

Re: The trials and tribulations of doing business in India

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Note that this is limited to Apple's direct sales business model (aka selling phones through its own stores). Apple are free to sell through other retailers like LG, Xiaomi, and several other retailers do. But they like to have total and absolute control over all aspects of their products. Unfortunately, in this case, they have come across someone else who likes to exercise pretty strong control over aspects of the economy itself.

I think the best thing for Apple to do would be to sell their products through a partnership with Reliance or another company that has a lot of stores in India. It's not like they don't partner with carriers and such in the US.

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