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Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by verst »

DrScump wrote: post #34
bogomipz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you seriously saying that foreign students subsidize the education of US citizens? That is one of the most absurd statements I've ever read on HN. US student's educations are paid for by student loans, they fund their own tuitions I can assure you. Attending university in the US is a privilege and that does not mean you should be guaranteed a job in the United States upon graduation. You seem to have a real sense…

It may be a reference to the fact that many public colleges have tuition breaks for residents. The other side of that coin is availability. That practice gives those schools a financial incentive to grant full-retail foreign students admission priority over residents. That's certainly the case in California.

The University of California system is exactly what I was referring to.

They increasingly admit more out of state and international students to deal with their increasing budget problems and to counteract otherwise necessary larger tuition increases.

I'm not saying this is good or bad. Just stating that this is happening.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by dmm »

siculars wrote: post #38
qxf2 wrote: post #6

I rarely comment but this story makes me happy enough to do so. I'm a former H1-B with an American Masters degree in STEM. I think this conviction will go a long way in making the system fairer. Here is what happened. H1-Bs must be legally employed all (well most of) the time they are in the USA. To get past that rule, these H1-B shops act as employers and then farm out the employees to other companies. Employers nee…

Every STEM grad from a US program should get a greencard/visa stapled to their diploma. Why isn't that happening?

I like the concept but I can see a few potential problems with the idea.

Firstly this would give universities the power to print green cards. That's a power they probably shouldn't have.

Secondly I really don't think there is a shortage of scientists or mathematicians so STEM is probably a suboptimal group to apply this policy. I personally know a person with a masters in geophysics who drives for lyft. Ask a recent biology major about their job prospects, etc.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by bruceb »

vthallam wrote: post #39
sliverstorm wrote: post #25

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That's no longer an H1-B, that's a totally different program with different goals.

Guess what the user meant is to make it easy for people on H1B to switch jobs which currently isn't. This makes so many employees to be at the jobs though low paying so as to keep their status in US. Edit: for grammar!

You can switch jobs on an H1-b visa. The window is too short yes but plenty of people with skills do it in SV.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

throwaway_45 wrote: post #36

I hate Indians who try to hate on other people trying to make it. Why the heck do you deserve to be in America? These are the rules you learn to play it.

Calm down mr Trump, we do not hate any group. And we are not trying to steal your jobs

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by vthallam »

bogomipz wrote: post #30
verst wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that companies should not be able to hire the most qualified individuals who went through the same system as everybody else? [EDIT (rephrasing): There is no particular training provided. The international students received the same education as US students at US institutions.] International students generally have to pay for everything out of pocket (they are not eligible for any public/tax-payer b…

Are you seriously saying that foreign students subsidize the education of US citizens? That is one of the most absurd statements I've ever read on HN. US student's educations are paid for by student loans, they fund their own tuitions I can assure you. Attending university in the US is a privilege and that does not mean you should be guaranteed a job in the United States upon graduation. You seem to have a real sense…

I don't think his statement implies any of the things you are referring to. If you reread the comment again, he is making the argument that the students who went to school in US and are good at what they do should not be discriminated in hiring because they are not US citizens.

> This idea that the most talented people can only be found from outside the US needs to just die. If the US were so bereft of talent none of these companies that these H1B visa folks want to work for would exist. Ditto for the US universities they attend.

There is definitely a dearth in the STEM students who are US citizens and have an under-grad/grad degree from top schools. All the ones who are already places. My company hires from the top 30 schools in US and when my team went for Intern hiring, they couldn't find enough US citizens with masters degree. It's a supply demand problem.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by natmaster »

steego wrote: post #21
qxf2 wrote: post #6

I rarely comment but this story makes me happy enough to do so. I'm a former H1-B with an American Masters degree in STEM. I think this conviction will go a long way in making the system fairer. Here is what happened. H1-Bs must be legally employed all (well most of) the time they are in the USA. To get past that rule, these H1-B shops act as employers and then farm out the employees to other companies. Employers nee…

A much better solution would to remove any barriers an H1B worker has to shop for a better job. If we want to live an egalitarian society, it's in our collective interest for immigrants to earn as much as the rest of us. That only happens when we dismantle systems that provide an incentive to exploit immigrants.

Why is America the only place to live in the world? Are you saying the rest of the world is terrible?

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by vostok »

hkmurakami wrote: post #35
vostok wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I strongly believe that H1Bs should be given out to employees that are offered the highest salary. Clearly there is no shortage if you are not willing to pay one of the highest salaries. Yea, this wouldn't be perfect, but it's much better than the significantly more gameable lottery system we have now.

In addition, I hope that we can somehow figure out a way to give visas to STEM graduate degree earners over ones employed by such shops. That segment seems significantly underserved by the current system and it's resulting in a reverse brain drain away from the country even though we are investing in their education.

I'm not sure that it makes sense to target STEM graduates in this way. Most of them would receive visas based on their high salaries whereas an explicit rule would only serve to increase the number of low quality STEM degrees.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by hkmurakami »

vostok wrote: post #47
hkmurakami wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition, I hope that we can somehow figure out a way to give visas to STEM graduate degree earners over ones employed by such shops. That segment seems significantly underserved by the current system and it's resulting in a reverse brain drain away from the country even though we are investing in their education.

I'm not sure that it makes sense to target STEM graduates in this way. Most of them would receive visas based on their high salaries whereas an explicit rule would only serve to increase the number of low quality STEM degrees.

Yeah that did cross my mind, and now that it's been brought up, I'm inclined to think you are right.

I just learned that a bunch of acquaintances lost out on their H1B lotteries and will be shipped out of the country to international offices once their OPT terms end in 1-2 months. Since they were employed by strong companies, their salaries likely would have been high enough to qualify them for H1B visas under a system you propose.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Post by dzhiurgis »

dmm wrote: post #42
siculars wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every STEM grad from a US program should get a greencard/visa stapled to their diploma. Why isn't that happening?

I like the concept but I can see a few potential problems with the idea. Firstly this would give universities the power to print green cards. That's a power they probably shouldn't have. Secondly I really don't think there is a shortage of scientists or mathematicians so STEM is probably a suboptimal group to apply this policy. I personally know a person with a masters in geophysics who drives for lyft. Ask a recent…

I work for this such type of consulting shop abroad (first world), supposedly best in the country and earn same as average Uber driver.

I think the model is not limited to the US. There are plenty of people willing to have abroad experience, but it does demotivate you to certain degree.

I can imagine market geophysics specialists is extremely tiny.

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