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Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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I rarely comment but this story makes me happy enough to do so. I'm a former H1-B with an American Masters degree in STEM. I think this conviction will go a long way in making the system fairer. Here is what happened. H1-Bs must be legally employed all (well most of) the time they are in the USA. To get past that rule, these H1-B shops act as employers and then farm out the employees to other companies. Employers nee…

Also many of these consultancy firms just flood the H1B application pool and then just take whoever got accepted. Very unfair.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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This abuse of the H-1B program also hurts the many students attending US universities, hoping to gain work experience here post graduation. Remember that the number of H-1B visas granted every year are capped. Plenty of students from top US universities (and often at the top of their class) cannot accept jobs (or only do so for a very short term under the F-1 OPT program) for which they are the most qualified candida…

The OPT as been extended to 24 months now. But sadly, one can't go from OPT to Greencard. I would have to go through H1B, which is stupid. Also, the cap is only an issue because the system is getting abused. Even then, it's stupid to give out the visa through lottery once the cap is reached.

29 months actually - from the typical graduation filing date of April 1 to the H1B validity start date of October 1 two years later. This 17 months extension only applied to STEM majors last time I checked. It was introduced in the spring of 2009 per DHS executive order (memo).

EDIT: Apparently the duration was changed recently. See comment below.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OPT as been extended to 24 months now. But sadly, one can't go from OPT to Greencard. I would have to go through H1B, which is stupid. Also, the cap is only an issue because the system is getting abused. Even then, it's stupid to give out the visa through lottery once the cap is reached.

29 months actually - from the typical graduation filing date of April 1 to the H1B validity start date of October 1 two years later. This 17 months extension only applied to STEM majors last time I checked. It was introduced in the spring of 2009 per DHS executive order (memo). EDIT: Apparently the duration was changed recently. See comment below.

It used to be 17 months. Now it is 24 months. This is a new rule which started this year in March.

>On March 11, 2016, the Department of Homeland Security published a final rule allowing certain F-1 students who receive science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees, and who meet other specified requirements, to apply for a 24-month extension of their post-completion OPT. The 24-month extension will replace the 17-month STEM OPT extension previously available to STEM students (see 73 FR 18944). Eligible students may now apply for a 24-month STEM OPT extension.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/students-and-exc...

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

29 months actually - from the typical graduation filing date of April 1 to the H1B validity start date of October 1 two years later. This 17 months extension only applied to STEM majors last time I checked. It was introduced in the spring of 2009 per DHS executive order (memo). EDIT: Apparently the duration was changed recently. See comment below.

It used to be 17 months. Now it is 24 months. This is a new rule which started this year in March. >On March 11, 2016, the Department of Homeland Security published a final rule allowing certain F-1 students who receive science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees, and who meet other specified requirements, to apply for a 24-month extension of their post-completion OPT. The 24-month extension will…

Thanks! I stand corrected!

Does that mean the H1B validity now also starts before October 1?

The 17 month extension would have ended October 1 (traditionally the H1B start date). So I am curious what happens if one applies for and is granted the H1B in their third year under OPT.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to be 17 months. Now it is 24 months. This is a new rule which started this year in March. >On March 11, 2016, the Department of Homeland Security published a final rule allowing certain F-1 students who receive science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees, and who meet other specified requirements, to apply for a 24-month extension of their post-completion OPT. The 24-month extension will…

Thanks! I stand corrected! Does that mean the H1B validity now also starts before October 1? The 17 month extension would have ended October 1 (traditionally the H1B start date). So I am curious what happens if one applies for and is granted the H1B in their third year under OPT.

I don't think so. But one can still use H1B-Gap which basically allows you to stay beyond 24 months if you got an H1B Visa. For example, if the 24 months are over in May, you are allowed to stay until October.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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I rarely comment but this story makes me happy enough to do so. I'm a former H1-B with an American Masters degree in STEM. I think this conviction will go a long way in making the system fairer. Here is what happened. H1-Bs must be legally employed all (well most of) the time they are in the USA. To get past that rule, these H1-B shops act as employers and then farm out the employees to other companies. Employers nee…

I think it is yet another point showing how broken our immigration / vIsa program is. This sort of blackmarket style operation would never have existed in the first place if the talanted non US (calling them aliens seems dehumanizing and encourages the us vs them mentality) workers could easily and affordably get permission to work here

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This abuse of the H-1B program also hurts the many students attending US universities, hoping to gain work experience here post graduation. Remember that the number of H-1B visas granted every year are capped. Plenty of students from top US universities (and often at the top of their class) cannot accept jobs (or only do so for a very short term under the F-1 OPT program) for which they are the most qualified candida…

This might be interesting to some: The big tech companies in the Bay area may initially hire recent international student graduates on F-1 OPT status and then attempt to apply for their H-1B. If this fails the common approach is to move them to Europe (usually Dublin) to work there for a year. After that time they can return on L-1 (company internal transfer) visas. Note that these candidates are extremely competitiv…

The don't replace anyone statement doesn't make any sense. Instead of training foreign workers we could be training American workers for these jobs.

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be interesting to some: The big tech companies in the Bay area may initially hire recent international student graduates on F-1 OPT status and then attempt to apply for their H-1B. If this fails the common approach is to move them to Europe (usually Dublin) to work there for a year. After that time they can return on L-1 (company internal transfer) visas. Note that these candidates are extremely competitiv…

The don't replace anyone statement doesn't make any sense. Instead of training foreign workers we could be training American workers for these jobs.

Do you mean to train them against their will?

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This abuse of the H-1B program also hurts the many students attending US universities, hoping to gain work experience here post graduation. Remember that the number of H-1B visas granted every year are capped. Plenty of students from top US universities (and often at the top of their class) cannot accept jobs (or only do so for a very short term under the F-1 OPT program) for which they are the most qualified candida…

This might be interesting to some: The big tech companies in the Bay area may initially hire recent international student graduates on F-1 OPT status and then attempt to apply for their H-1B. If this fails the common approach is to move them to Europe (usually Dublin) to work there for a year. After that time they can return on L-1 (company internal transfer) visas. Note that these candidates are extremely competitiv…

I can verify this is true - I have a friend at Facebook in Menlo Park caught in this situation (he is an engineer still on a student visa, graduated from a top CS program), so he is moving to London for at least an year so that he is eligible to transfer back on an L-1 (the H-1B lottery hasn't been kind to him).

Re: Judge sends two to prison for 7 years for H-1B fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be interesting to some: The big tech companies in the Bay area may initially hire recent international student graduates on F-1 OPT status and then attempt to apply for their H-1B. If this fails the common approach is to move them to Europe (usually Dublin) to work there for a year. After that time they can return on L-1 (company internal transfer) visas. Note that these candidates are extremely competitiv…

The don't replace anyone statement doesn't make any sense. Instead of training foreign workers we could be training American workers for these jobs.

Are you suggesting that companies should not be able to hire the most qualified individuals who went through the same system as everybody else?

[EDIT (rephrasing): There is no particular training provided. The international students received the same education as US students at US institutions.]

International students generally have to pay for everything out of pocket (they are not eligible for any public/tax-payer based assistance, not even subsidized loans). This in effect often subsidizes the cost of tuition for the domestic students. [EDIT: This is the case in the University of California system where the percentage of out of state and international students admissions increases to deal with budget problems.]

The companies in question here expect individuals to have worked on significant projects, demonstrated ambition and passion outside of their regular coursework. Those who can generally have no problem being hired.

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