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Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters

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Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters

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Post by ryandrake »

etatoby wrote: post #230
backtoyoujim wrote: post #135

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The American Dream was narrated by banks in the USA as a way of fighting "the Red terra" and to make the populace wear the yolk of a mortgage. People with mortgages generally don't protest or strike. As American hegemony spun the globe so did the "own your acres".

This is ridiculous. Here in Europe we have been taking mortgages to buy property long before the USA was born, in fact since the Renaissance. It certainly is a long-term contract, but nobody really considers it a "yolk." After a number of years your debt is paid and you can keep living in your place without paying anything else. The alternative is to keep paying rent forever, well into retirement. Which one do you th…

I don't know, I find the "yolk" of a mortgage to be eggcellent!

Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters

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Post by skylan_q »

skylan_q wrote: post #268
mweibel wrote: post #164

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What does the asylum reform say about the UBI? I don't see how you get from one to the other?

The types of immigrants they're looking to bring in with reform aren't trying only to escape war, but looking for a free leg-up. i.e. Syrian war refugees going to Germany instead of any of the countries along the way that aren't experiencing war. They'll be sure to vote established people's money for themselves.

I'd like to know why someone disagrees with what I've said.

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Post by dredmorbius »

ams6110 wrote: post #301
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #228

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A two hour daily commute is like 12% of your waking hours crumpled and thrown away. That sounds like hell. Two hours is a long time! Sit around for the two hours doing nothing, you'll see.

A two hour commute (assuming one hour each way) is very very common. I did it for years when I lived in the suburbs and worked downtown. About an hour door-to-door each way, with the train ride being about 45 minutes of that.

Average US commute is 25 minutes (one-way).

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/al...

Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters

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Post by pka »

kazinator wrote: post #227
elcapitan wrote: post #4

I wish I would live in a country where essential political decisions like that are made by the people and not by some professional political elite in a far away capital.

What if you were a discriminated minority, and important decisions specifically affected you were put to a referendum? Oops, 60% of the populace thinks you're a nuisance who should just shut up and put up (and ideally just go away).

Sure, sucks. But anyway, would you like to live in a place where the majority of people don't like you? It's going to be a fact with our without referendums or laws.

Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters

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Post by ZoeZoeBee »

illumen wrote: post #361
ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #237

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A few things. 1) Sweden has been importing North African and Middle Eastern people's since the early 1970s in a concerted effort to shore up their Demographic issues. https://swedenreport.org/immigration-3/ 2) Sweden made it a crime to question the Immigration Policies of the Government. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4972/sweden-free-speech 3) The last time they reported rapes by nationalities those born in a for…

" The last time they reported rapes by nationalities those born in a foreign country or born to a foreign parent accounted for over 70% of all rapes. " That is not a factual remark. according to Brå you quoted, immigrants were 5.5 times more likely to be CHARGED[edit: but not convicted, convictions have "little difference"] on reported rapes in Sweden. Not on the total of REPORTED rapes. There's around 190 conviction…

That is a factual remark, though and its quite simple math. If 15% of the population is 5.5 times more likely to be charged than the remaining 85% of the population in order for that to be true the 15% of the population must account for 85% of the instances. 15.5* 5.5=85 + 15.5 = 100 Those numbers are in the Bra report its not difficult to deduce...

There is something wrong with reporting if less than 3% of rapes are resulting in convictions.

Do I believe everything the gatestone institute says, no. What I gave you came directly from the Swedish government and Sweden's issues do not stem from the last 3 years. Sweden has been importing refugees from the Middle East and North Africa as part of policy to deal with a demographic issue and lack of immigration from Western Nations since the 1970s. If it wasn't an issue why do you think they stopped reporting the numbers in the 90s? It's not because they were favorable

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Post by DominikR »

notahacker wrote: post #351
DominikR wrote: post #259

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> I'm not familiar with the Swiss situation but doubt the constitutional changes around minarets were fought over the merits of Islamic architecture or nuanced arguments about zoning. It is a misconception to believe that these are the only valid types of arguments against minarets. There are many that value their own culture and want to keep it that way without necessarily viewing other cultures as inferior.

I'm not sure how having [already legally silenced] minarets affects the culture of Swiss people that don't attend mosques in the slightest apart from its visual impact on the surrounding area. (I'm not sure minarets or lack thereof affects anyone's culture that much tbh) Frankly I'd have thought enshrining the principle of intolerance of the symbols of a particular religion in the constitution represented a more subs…

It would be a visible symbol that Islam is part of mainstream culture which it is not. It is part of other cultures and these cultures have very different views on social norms and order, laws and politics.

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Post by Godel_unicode »

defen wrote: post #319
soyiuz wrote: post #244

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Re: renting is wasting money. Think of the math this way. A $1mil condo in New York generates approximately 45k/yr income, or 4.5% return on investment per year in rents. Subtract taxes and amortization and ask yourself, can you get similar returns elsewhere? You could for example purchase an index fund with the same $1mil and contribute the gains towards rent. Either way you are living "for free." It is however risk…

A person with $1 million available to put into an index fund is the 1%, and advice for them is not really applicable to the general population. For "normal" people, buying a house can be a good idea because you can deduct the interest from your income. It also gives you much more stability in terms of monthly housing payments if you get a fixed-rate mortgage (unless rent control is an option). Finally, you also "get…

Rent/buy is not a simple analysis, there is no one right answer. If you ever (for medium-large values of "ever") find yourself in a situation where there's one obvious right answer for all cases, you probably did something wrong.

Fortunately, at least for homes it's also a solved problem. Take your data to the below calculator, and get on with your life.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calc...

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Post by godzillabrennus »

tptacek wrote: post #329
ams6110 wrote: post #306

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The standard Chicago city lot is only about 25' wide though. The houses are very close together, with a tiny front yard and a slightly large back yard but only a narrow strip on either side.

That's a big part of what makes them not suburban. I like the narrow lots. Why would I need more than the typical Chicago lot?

He only thing I don't like is that I feel like I live in a bowling alley because all the homes are long and narrow.

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Post by joeyo »

rwmj wrote: post #357
soyiuz wrote: post #244

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Re: renting is wasting money. Think of the math this way. A $1mil condo in New York generates approximately 45k/yr income, or 4.5% return on investment per year in rents. Subtract taxes and amortization and ask yourself, can you get similar returns elsewhere? You could for example purchase an index fund with the same $1mil and contribute the gains towards rent. Either way you are living "for free." It is however risk…

Who's going to lend me $1m so I can play the stockmarket?

You could absolutely borrow on margin to play the stock, although you would probably need to have more than the typical home mortgage 20% to get the loan.
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