It is premature but inevitable: automation, stagnant growth, migrations and deflation are all pushing towards universal basic income. Not 2k euros/month but enough to allow surviving and decency.
Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
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Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
And why do you think so?
The majority of population isn't in place to make honest, rational choices unaffected by feelings, culture, religion (I wanted to state educated, but education doesn't necessarily mean that the choice would be on the rational side) and media influence.
And do you think Switzerland is different?
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#33Coming from Switzerland, this is not at all surprising. No one expected this initiative to pass. It was really more of an attempt to get a conversation started, and it's succeeded in that. As a (tentative) supporter of basic income, I'm already quite happy that something like a fifth to a quarter of voters went for it.
Doesn't the fact that the margin on the no vote was so high put a damper on the enthusiasm for supporters? Or do the Swiss routinely vote over and over again on rewordings of the same idea?
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#34I found it funny how most major news outlets made a big deal of this
Yeah, there's your answer. It seems the Swiss are conservative with how they spend their money
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#35Change the title? It's misleading to imply the results are final.
Pretty clear trend at ~20% across a number of their regions. Unless the uncounted regions are drastically different than the rest of the country I'd say this one is easy to call.
They are drastically different. These are rural, conservative, catholic and weakly-populated regions.
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#36Offical now, cantonal majority cannot be reached (12 no, 11 to go)
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/results-votes-june-5th-2016-in-s...
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#37Switzerland is the only country in the world that implements direct democracy. You can really feel the difference to the rest of Europe. Swiss more often than not stand behind decisions made by their government. When talking about their politicians, the Swiss say "WE decided that ..." whereas e.g., Germans say: "THEY decided that ..."
If you look for a coding job in Europe, Zurich is a great place to live and is the only place where net-salaries are on par with the Bay Area: You can expect to get 7000 - 12000 CHF / month after taxes. If you are from the EU and thinking to move, you find my email address in my Hacknews profile. Also you can read here why I moved to Switzerland to work in IT: https://medium.com/@iwaninzurich/eight-reasons-why-i-moved-t...
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#38.
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#39Coming from Switzerland, this is not at all surprising. No one expected this initiative to pass. It was really more of an attempt to get a conversation started, and it's succeeded in that. As a (tentative) supporter of basic income, I'm already quite happy that something like a fifth to a quarter of voters went for it.
Doesn't the fact that the margin on the no vote was so high put a damper on the enthusiasm for supporters? Or do the Swiss routinely vote over and over again on rewordings of the same idea?
It does put a damper on things, but yeah, it's not uncommon for more or less the same thing to come up every decade or two. Evergreen topics include immigration reform, nuclear power, and whether Switzerland needs an army.
Re: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The construction of minarets is prohibited. Hardly surprising. Nobody wants to be awoken at ungodly hours by that howling.
While I agree about the howling, that was already not allowed. The referendum was only about the physical minarets. Unfortunately the church clocks make just as much noise in Switzerland.
At least both are short noises at predictable times. I'm very sensitive to noise, but neither church bells here nor the muezzin calling for prayer five times a day in my vacations in islamic countries have ever bothered me.
On the other hand, I wish somebody would actually enforce anti-noise laws against my trash-techno neighbor at night ;)