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31 years later, we found the flight recorders
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Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#42Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
As someone else said, "responsive" sometimes means loading both versions of a site and being readable for both desktop and mobile. If Wiki Desktop has a lot of features or content that shouldn't get loaded on mobile, it's a bit trickier to do that. Although I agree, at least some kind of media detect/redirect may be in order.
I don't undertand why the mobile version doesn't have a link to the talk page. For some articles it's a very useful additional reading to the main page.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#43Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
As someone else said, "responsive" sometimes means loading both versions of a site and being readable for both desktop and mobile. If Wiki Desktop has a lot of features or content that shouldn't get loaded on mobile, it's a bit trickier to do that. Although I agree, at least some kind of media detect/redirect may be in order.
If Wiki Desktop has a lot of features or content that shouldn't get loaded on mobile...
Except it doesn't.
The whole idea behind the iPhone's browser was to avoid the need for crappy "mobile" versions of web sites. It's a crying shame that this vision had to fail because a bunch of underemployed web developers were obsessed with fixing things that were no longer broken.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
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Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. I hope MH370 has changed the mindset of airlines and aircraft manufacturers. I know that pilots are against live streaming, always on voice recorders in the cockpit due to privacy concerns but surely there are ways to regulate access to that (eg: it goes to the s…
> It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. They don't do it because they don't need the data. Governments do, for when they need to do search and rescue. So, governments should make it a requirement. For a manager making a decision in an airline whether or not to use this service, he would have to justify the cost to the airline. If none of his competitors are using it, then he's just got an unnecessary…
Except ADS-B is a shit show. Watch this video [1] and tell me if you really want to still trust it over radar.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#46Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
I'm sorry, what? Last vestige? That's not even close to being correct. Off the top of my head, here are some websites that still have a separate mobile domain: YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, and a whole host of smaller websites as well. Granted, many of these do some kind of automatic redirect, so that you're redirected to the appropriate domain for the device you're using regardless of the link you follow. But none of them do the kind of responsive-design-and-media-query approach that you're talking about to differentiate between desktop and mobile.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#47Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11836580 and marked it off-topic.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#48Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
Media query are at most marginally better. They still suck for all devices with high resolution and low size or large size but low resolution.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#49Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
I'm sorry, what? Last vestige? That's not even close to being correct. Off the top of my head, here are some websites that still have a separate mobile domain: YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, and a whole host of smaller websites as well. Granted, many of these do some kind of automatic redirect, so that you're redirected to the appropriate domain for the device you're using regardless of the link you follow. But…
Reddit has TWO differently shoddy mobile websites: i.reddit.com and the perma Beta m.reddit.com
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
wikipedia has a big "never change anything" culture that resists any design changes to the main site, but doesn't seem to care about the mobile site. more likely we'll see m.wikipedia.org become more desktop-friendly and responsive before we see it happen to "desktop wikipedia". (and really, the m.wikipedia site is quite nice to use on the 11" screen i'm reading on now)
> wikipedia has a big "never change anything" culture that resists any design changes to the main site, but doesn't seem to care about the mobile site. Except for the deletionists. They like to change things!
They are actually defending against change