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31 years later, we found the flight recorders
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Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#22Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
The reason for a separate mobile site is that we can transfer less data over the wire. mobile sites typically aren't as feature filled as the desktop sites.
What features does wikipedia have besides collapsing sections?
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
There just isn't adequate satellite internet worldwide to trust that system just yet. Airplanes don't even broadcast their coordinates to satellites in many airlines, despite existing networks likely (ie Iridium) being able to handle the small increase in data (if they kept the packets small - just flight number/lat/lon - and let the satellites figure out where to send and what time the packets come, the total size f…
It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. I hope MH370 has changed the mindset of airlines and aircraft manufacturers. I know that pilots are against live streaming, always on voice recorders in the cockpit due to privacy concerns but surely there are ways to regulate access to that (eg: it goes to the s…
>Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it.
How does broadcasting to a satellite reduce current or future costs?
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
There just isn't adequate satellite internet worldwide to trust that system just yet. Airplanes don't even broadcast their coordinates to satellites in many airlines, despite existing networks likely (ie Iridium) being able to handle the small increase in data (if they kept the packets small - just flight number/lat/lon - and let the satellites figure out where to send and what time the packets come, the total size f…
It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. I hope MH370 has changed the mindset of airlines and aircraft manufacturers. I know that pilots are against live streaming, always on voice recorders in the cockpit due to privacy concerns but surely there are ways to regulate access to that (eg: it goes to the s…
> It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this.
They don't do it because they don't need the data. Governments do, for when they need to do search and rescue. So, governments should make it a requirement.
For a manager making a decision in an airline whether or not to use this service, he would have to justify the cost to the airline. If none of his competitors are using it, then he's just got an unnecessary cost which the airline has to eat or pass on the cost to the customer.
The way around this is to make it a requirement for all airlines. Then everybody has to eat the cost.
You may not be aware but there is an effort in the United States to move aircraft from primarily radar-based Air Traffic Control to GPS-based. This requires all planes to be equipped with additional equipment to transmit their location, and there is a mechanism to transmit via satellite. It's just not a requirement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_dependent_surveillan...
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. I hope MH370 has changed the mindset of airlines and aircraft manufacturers. I know that pilots are against live streaming, always on voice recorders in the cockpit due to privacy concerns but surely there are ways to regulate access to that (eg: it goes to the s…
>Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. How does broadcasting to a satellite reduce current or future costs?
As an initial thought, being able to much more accurately locate missing aircraft sounds like it would be a cost saving. eg:
* the many months/years of effort + associated resources for searching would be likely reduced
* technical/procedural weaknesses that led to aircraft loss could be better analysed, hopefully leading to reduced further aircraft losses, reduced loss of life
Realtime data (other than location) sounds like it would have uses too. Not just alerting for impending or actual failure.
On the other hand, would doing this open up potential remote vulnerabilities for aircraft systems? That could have long term crappy-ness attached. :(
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. I hope MH370 has changed the mindset of airlines and aircraft manufacturers. I know that pilots are against live streaming, always on voice recorders in the cockpit due to privacy concerns but surely there are ways to regulate access to that (eg: it goes to the s…
>Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. How does broadcasting to a satellite reduce current or future costs?
The point of this data is to understand why planes crash (or how were hijacked) so that design faults, defects and crew procedures can be altered to prevent them happening again.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#27What's on the last picture is mostly casing. They seem to have found a magnetic roll that hopefully contains data, but there's some risk they found nothing
I am excited to see what the tape holds, hopefully it will give a bit of closure to the families of those lost.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#28For those interested, Bill Hammack (Engineer Guy) pulled apart a 1970s-era flight recorder in an old video.[1] The one in video, though, gets etched to a roll of tin rather than recorded to a magnetic tape.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#29Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.
Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does this mean? edit: oh dear, responsive web design.
Wikipedia is responsive, so not clear what the comment meant. Info on what response design is on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design
The responsive bit doesn't really work though. The mobile version does, but there doesn't seem to be any good reason for that being extra functionality, rather than it just being how the site should reflow at smaller sizes