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31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by feld »

drostie wrote: post #8
feld wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this mean? edit: oh dear, responsive web design.

Responsive design is the design ideal of not having two separate sites -- one for mobile and the other for desktop -- but rather just being able to visit one site and have its CSS dynamically adjust so that it looks good in all screen sizes.

If you can do it without adding a bloated JavaScript framework and adding tons of requests to a page load, sure. If you can't do that I'd prefer auto detection by the load balancer and redirects to the mobile site

Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by [deleted] »

feld wrote: post #7
jessaustin wrote: post #5

Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.

What does this mean? edit: oh dear, responsive web design.

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Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by jessaustin »

nxzero wrote: post #10
feld wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this mean? edit: oh dear, responsive web design.

Wikipedia is responsive, so not clear what the comment meant. Info on what response design is on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design

Haha that's an ironic URL. Clearly I was wrong about Wikipedia's use of media queries, but that makes the persistence of the ".m." subdomain even stranger. It's time to start 301'ing this.

Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by unethical_ban »

jessaustin wrote: post #5

Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.

As someone else said, "responsive" sometimes means loading both versions of a site and being readable for both desktop and mobile. If Wiki Desktop has a lot of features or content that shouldn't get loaded on mobile, it's a bit trickier to do that. Although I agree, at least some kind of media detect/redirect may be in order.

Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by _RPM »

jessaustin wrote: post #5

Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.

The reason for a separate mobile site is that we can transfer less data over the wire. mobile sites typically aren't as feature filled as the desktop sites.

Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by emdowling »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #9
aminorex wrote: post #6

even today there are flight recorders. isn't that completely whack and irresponsible? just let everyone turn on their cellphones, and voila, suddenly there are a hundred flight recorders on every flight, streaming real-time. (yes, if you are severely asp-burger you will find that last sentence to be irresistible baiting - sigh.) seriously, relying on a physical device for information security in a physical destructio…

There just isn't adequate satellite internet worldwide to trust that system just yet. Airplanes don't even broadcast their coordinates to satellites in many airlines, despite existing networks likely (ie Iridium) being able to handle the small increase in data (if they kept the packets small - just flight number/lat/lon - and let the satellites figure out where to send and what time the packets come, the total size f…

It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. I hope MH370 has changed the mindset of airlines and aircraft manufacturers.

I know that pilots are against live streaming, always on voice recorders in the cockpit due to privacy concerns but surely there are ways to regulate access to that (eg: it goes to the safety regulator of the airline's country of governance and is held for 48 hours, released only if an accident occurs).

I don't put a server into staging use let alone production use without having comprehensive monitoring in place for CPU, memory, etc. Putting a $200mm+ aircraft in the sky without monitoring every single thing in real time with multiple layers of redundancy seems unbelievably insane.

Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by notatoad »

jessaustin wrote: post #5

Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.

wikipedia has a big "never change anything" culture that resists any design changes to the main site, but doesn't seem to care about the mobile site.

more likely we'll see m.wikipedia.org become more desktop-friendly and responsive before we see it happen to "desktop wikipedia". (and really, the m.wikipedia site is quite nice to use on the 11" screen i'm reading on now)

Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by [deleted] »

jessaustin wrote: post #5

Will Wikipedia ever get responsive? [EDIT:] In other words, Wikipedia seems to be the last vestige of the dumb old "separate web for mobile" mindset of ideas like WML. Media queries are just better, and would prevent this inane "that link sucks for half of us; here's one that sucks for the other half" crap.

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Re: 31 years later, we found the flight recorders

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Post by shpx »

emdowling wrote: post #16
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There just isn't adequate satellite internet worldwide to trust that system just yet. Airplanes don't even broadcast their coordinates to satellites in many airlines, despite existing networks likely (ie Iridium) being able to handle the small increase in data (if they kept the packets small - just flight number/lat/lon - and let the satellites figure out where to send and what time the packets come, the total size f…

It's truly mind boggling that airlines don't do this. Given the cost of an aircraft and the value it represents, surely the data cost is more than worth it. I hope MH370 has changed the mindset of airlines and aircraft manufacturers. I know that pilots are against live streaming, always on voice recorders in the cockpit due to privacy concerns but surely there are ways to regulate access to that (eg: it goes to the s…

Royls Royce sends performance data of its jet engines over satellites.

https://youtu.be/_30T6MqdSlw?t=43m19s

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