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Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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And yet, Canada turned down help from Russia and the US. Then went around and hired 300 firefighters from South Africa that have no experience with this type of fire or equipment (they said due to lack of water, they use sticks to beat the bush fires). I understand it's more of a social help program ("Working On Fire" job assistance), but still it seems bizarre. Or maybe I've been reading the wrong news sources and t…

I suspect Canada's prime concern was the very high carbon footprint of firefighters from USA and Russia.

I know you are being sarcastic, but this may have a grain of truth (not the concern but the concept itself)

Eventually these trees will die and rot/burn anyway, but new ones will grow and recover near equivalent carbon. Trees just hold carbon temporarily.(Underground gas is another story though)

If you burn oil from deep underground, that carbon would never have escaped without human intervention.

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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Please no. With the oil downturn we can finally find qualified software devs to hire... the last thing we need is Google snapping them up!

Why you want to depress our wages ?

No, just supply.

During the more heated oil years no one was looking for a job. And this might come as a surprise, but that actually makes it really hard to hire, even if you have competitive offers.

This might be different in other markets where job hopping is common and the overall supply of qualified hires is high (Edmonton often loses out to Calgary and Vancouver), but you don't see that as much here, unfortunately.

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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At any given point in any given summer, a large chunk of the country is on fire. That's the reality of having a massive landmass covered in boreal forest. The consequence of that is that we have a well funded, professional forest fire service that is among the best in the world at what they do. If accepting American or Russian help would have helped save Canadian homes and businesses, we would have. The South African…

"This isn't the California wildfires. It's not threatening populated areas anymore. It's burning in a vast expanse of unpopulated subarctic forest. It's fine. The damage is done; now we wait for it to burn out while keeping an eye out for the next one." I hate this notion that wildlife and nature isn't important. Apparently only human lives and materialistic objects matter....

Nature takes care of itself. Constantly putting out fires just ensures the next one is even bigger...

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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> At least they got their Obama. What? Obama wasn't elected on the strength of nice hair and Daddy's legacy.

His dad has a horrible legacy out west.

Pierre Trudeau is not not very appreciated by a large proportion of Quebecers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Meeting

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

#146

And yet, Canada turned down help from Russia and the US. Then went around and hired 300 firefighters from South Africa that have no experience with this type of fire or equipment (they said due to lack of water, they use sticks to beat the bush fires). I understand it's more of a social help program ("Working On Fire" job assistance), but still it seems bizarre. Or maybe I've been reading the wrong news sources and t…

We turned down the help because it wouldn't have done any good. The fire was too large for people to put out. Only rain can kill it now. Believe me, we didn't turn down help out of pride. We have a ton of experience dealing with these things. We know when a fire is fightable, and when it isn't.

Yup, the PM is listening to the informed experience of the guys on the ground who have been doing it for decades. They are handling it correctly.

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At any given point in any given summer, a large chunk of the country is on fire. That's the reality of having a massive landmass covered in boreal forest. The consequence of that is that we have a well funded, professional forest fire service that is among the best in the world at what they do. If accepting American or Russian help would have helped save Canadian homes and businesses, we would have. The South African…

> The South Africans are here for diplomatic reasons more than anything So it's just a Trudeau-like "diversity" hire or something? Not to say that in a mean way, just that they are not the most qualified and have only received minimal training. I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't being praised as "South African government sees it as repaying a debt to the Canadian people for their support for the anti-aparth…

Yeah, they need experience and training, so they're here to get it.

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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Why you want to depress our wages ?

No, just supply. During the more heated oil years no one was looking for a job. And this might come as a surprise, but that actually makes it really hard to hire, even if you have competitive offers. This might be different in other markets where job hopping is common and the overall supply of qualified hires is high (Edmonton often loses out to Calgary and Vancouver), but you don't see that as much here, unfortunate…

Same difference you just weren't offering enough $ or an interesting job to attract people.

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

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At any given point in any given summer, a large chunk of the country is on fire. That's the reality of having a massive landmass covered in boreal forest. The consequence of that is that we have a well funded, professional forest fire service that is among the best in the world at what they do. If accepting American or Russian help would have helped save Canadian homes and businesses, we would have. The South African…

>If accepting American or Russian help would have helped save Canadian homes and businesses, we would have How do you know this? Because the actual firefighters wanted more planes. The prime minster, who knows nothing about fire fighting is the one who rejected the help. Note that this has been an especially dry, hot season with far more wildfires than usual. And despite this, the provincial government cancelled the…

Out of curiosity do you really think the prime minister just made a decision to reject help without consulting other people in the field?

Re: Canada’s $6.9B Wildfire Is the Size of Delaware and Still Out of Control

#150
post #62

And yet, Canada turned down help from Russia and the US. Then went around and hired 300 firefighters from South Africa that have no experience with this type of fire or equipment (they said due to lack of water, they use sticks to beat the bush fires). I understand it's more of a social help program ("Working On Fire" job assistance), but still it seems bizarre. Or maybe I've been reading the wrong news sources and t…

It sounds like Canada is metaphorically and literally playing with fire by turning down help because of the logistical problems. They got help fighting fires from Mexico, the US, Australia, NZ and south Africa last year [1] Here's some comparisons to the numbers in the article you linked to: Canada: 700 firefighters, several choppers, 27 air tankers and 46 pieces of heavy equipment deployed to fight 500,000+ hectare…

The numbers of firefighters in the area that you quoted is incorrect. Currently there are 2,146 firefighters and support staff, 80 helicopters and 219 pieces of heavy equipment battling this fire.

Source http://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=41701E7ECBE35-AD48-579...

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