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Re: King Tut's dagger blade made from meteorite, study confirms

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People view old Egyptian culture as one homogeneous whole when in fact there were major tech changes over the millennia. Some elements like the formal writing did stay somewhat constant. First, the dyration of dynasty was one and a half times longer than our time back to Jesus. That is a long time! Maybe the Catholic Church starts to approach with some factors staying constant during 2000 years and others changing. S…

>People view old Egyptian culture as one homogeneous whole when in fact there were major tech changes over the millennia.

I think viewing them as homogenous has basis in the fact that their religion, belief systems, social structures remained virtually unchanged for thousands of years.

Ofcourse they built better boats, better tools, better tombs, better textiles, better mummifications techniques; but underlying philosophy and religion was virtually unchanged from old dynasty to Cleopatra.

Re: King Tut's dagger blade made from meteorite, study confirms

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People view old Egyptian culture as one homogeneous whole when in fact there were major tech changes over the millennia. Some elements like the formal writing did stay somewhat constant. First, the dyration of dynasty was one and a half times longer than our time back to Jesus. That is a long time! Maybe the Catholic Church starts to approach with some factors staying constant during 2000 years and others changing. S…

The Met's Egyptian exhibits have artifacts spanning those millennia. I just had no idea. I went in blasé about ancient Egypt and left determined to become an Egyptologist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Museum_of_Art

Re: King Tut's dagger blade made from meteorite, study confirms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In domino's defense, being the son of Akenaten isn't necessarily all that interesting in itself. Akenaten is the interesting one; Tutankhamun is just a short-lived pharaoh who returned to normalcy. He's like the Gerald Ford of pharoahs.

>Tutankhamun is just a short-lived pharaoh who returned to normalcy. Do you think he was he was too young( too developmentally challenged?) to be making such momentous decisions. I've heard that it was mostly his mentors and generals ( HOremHeb ?) making those decisions.

I'm not an Egyptologist but Tutankhamun was 9 when he became Pharoah and it's hard to imagine any civilization letting a 9 year old actually run things. I'm sure there was a long regency. Keeping in mind his reign (and life) suspiciously ended at age 18, the circumstantial evidence would suggest that he was never really in charge.

Re: King Tut's dagger blade made from meteorite, study confirms

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You forgot: 0. Gold doesn't corrode/oxydize/otherwise react easily with most common elements, thus keeping it properties over extremely long periods of time. I doubt they knew or cared about 2). They did care about 1) being malleable and therefore easy to turn into pretty objects. They also cared that 3) it was shiny. But the main selling point was the fact that those pretty, shiny things lasted and could even be pas…

Yep. I originally included that and erased it for some reason. You are probably right about 2 as well, the reasons I like to think they might have been aware: 1.) there were Amphora made of both silver and gold; and 2.) they recognized the antimicrobial properties of other things (example: honey on wounds to avoid infection). Obviously the Amphora could simply be chalked up to displays of wealth, but I would think th…

Electronics have tons of gold in them: https://powermore.dell.com/tech-culture/how-much-gold-is-in-...

Re: King Tut's dagger blade made from meteorite, study confirms

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>I read about how it being more valuable allowed these ancient civilizations who had access to it, to have some more monetary value to their coins and also showed their political influence (Ex: a picture of their leader ) Probably 1 of 3 reasons Gold was valuable at all to the ancients: 1. Gold is the most malleable of all the metals, making it easy to coin in extreme detail. 2. Antimicrobial properties (probably kno…

Gold was also the heaviest known element until the middle of the 19th century, which means that all impurities swim at the top and so it is easy to purify simply by melting it. Plus you can assay it by a touchstone. So there are a lot properties that make Gold the best metal for coins.

Planet Money did an interesting episode on this, taking the opposite perspective: properties of other elements that made them less suitable.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/02/07/131363098/the-t...

Re: King Tut's dagger blade made from meteorite, study confirms

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How did the ancient Egyptians know it came from the sky?

IANAA. They probably see it. Let's make up a story without any proof that it's real: In some place in the countryside, they see a light moving in the sky and a not very far explosion. (The ones that see a nearby explosion are dead.) Imagine something like the meteorite at Russia a few years ago. (From the videos it looks like a nice show if it doesn't land on your head.) The local governor/priest/whatever heard about…

Or it's special because it literally came from the heavens (to them) so it must be to make the weapons for the kings, possibly even sent by the gods for just that purpose, especially if it happened to blow up some people the people in power didn't like in the process of smashing into the ground.

All of that is pure speculation on my part, but it'd be really interesting to find out how far off my guess is.

Re: King Tut's dagger blade made from meteorite, study confirms

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Check out the documentary Secrets of the Viking Sword. Goes into great depth concerning the materials and methods used in creating the Ulfberht blades. Don't remember meteorites being mentioned though. Maybe they simply didn't mention it in this documentary.

apparently the Vikings got the steel for their swords from as far away as Central Asia and India. and that steel was critical to the superior performance of those blades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_sword https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucible_steel

The famed Ulfberht sword is believed to have used steel forged in northern Iran, and transported through the Volga trade route (that followed the Volga river into the Caspian sea):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/volga-trade.html

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