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> Ali wasn't "allowed" anything. He lost his livelihood for roughly a third of his athletic prime for standing up for his beliefs. He faced constant racism and bigotry. Joe Frazier supported Ali financially when he was unable to box and supported the restoration of Ali's licence. "The greatest" [sic], who for reasons you have stated should have been more aware than most about racism and abuse, paid back this great fr…

And here we have classic white male tears.

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This news item currently has 260 upvotes on hacker news . Think about this a little. Think and try to name anybody else from boxing (or heck, any other sports) who could be up here. I know can't think of more than a few people. He was the greatest in his time. Rest in peace, Mr. Clay. You are among the icons of the 20th century.

Is HN going to make the bar black colored?

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Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). I hope, over all else, his contributions to the human spirit reign over the rest of us. We need another (dozen) Cassius Clays.

> Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). What? You think current public figures are being prevented from being out spoken? Have you seen 50cent's twitter? Have you seen Donald Trump's? Lots of people are being out spoken, maybe more than I personally like, but whatever floats thei…

Then there's people like Brendan Eich and Joss Whedon.

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Some great quotes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3624652/The-30-best-... To make America the greatest is my goal, so I beat the Russian and I beat the Pole. And for the USA won the medal of gold. The Greeks said you're better than the Cassius of old.' - He said this quote after he won the Olympic light-heavyweight gold medal at the 1960 Games in Rome Pretty amazing for an 18 year old .. if a bit Trump-like.

It's all about perspective. Trump should jump on this because in spirit they're alike; at least when it comes to a duty to succeed as a nation by vanquishing others with competitive success.

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To me, this is why he will always be “The Greatest.” Not his feet or his fists or his showmanship, but his humanity:

  Zawadzki picked Ali up at Pearson International and they were on their way
  downtown when Ali asked Zawadzki, the son of Polish immigrants, about his
  family. The Etobicoke native mentioned to the former three-time world
  heavyweight champion of the world that his mom Wanda had spent years in a slave
  labour camp during the Second World War.
  
  “Suddenly, he said he wanted to meet her,” said Zawadzki. “So even though we
  were already halfway downtown, we turned around. When we walked into our condo,
  Muhammad walked up to my mom, gave her a big hug, and the two of them sat
  together, and talked and hugged for a good 45 minutes. She told him all about
  her experiences in the camp.”
“When you walked away from Muhammad Ali, you were a better human.”—Ed Zawadzki

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/toronto-author-ed-zawadz...

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Here's one of my favorite sport highlight videos. https://youtu.be/072IsGDEpTc His speed, footwork, and power is just incredible.

This one's good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkhpZoPOfZI

Can any boxing expert explain how he can be that fast? Is it a practice + muscle memory + probablistic decision or is his reaction time that good? Is he anticipating the punches or reacting to them individually?

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Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). I hope, over all else, his contributions to the human spirit reign over the rest of us. We need another (dozen) Cassius Clays.

> Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). What? You think current public figures are being prevented from being out spoken? Have you seen 50cent's twitter? Have you seen Donald Trump's? Lots of people are being out spoken, maybe more than I personally like, but whatever floats thei…

People are talking about being firm in your beliefs and being outspoken about them, not being a troll on Twitter/Instagram (50 cent) or making purposefully incendiary comments (Trump)

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Ali wasn't "allowed" anything. He lost his livelihood for roughly a third of his athletic prime for standing up for his beliefs. He faced constant racism and bigotry. He was viewed as a bad guy by most of the country for much of his early career. Many people even refused to call him Muhammad Ali including other African American boxers. He persevered and became popular through shear will, determination, charisma, and…

I think he's correct in the choice of the word "allowed" - yes, he had to fight for his beliefs, very hard fights, but he lived in a society that still valued individual struggle and determination, and that in the end rewarded it with success. Otherwise he couldn't have achieved what he has achieved. It's at least debatable if in today's softer world somebody who gets out and tells everybody that he's the greatest wo…

>It's at least debatable if in today's softer world somebody who gets out and tells everybody that he's the greatest would still be "allowed" to earn reputation that way.

So like Kanye West?

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