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Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). I hope, over all else, his contributions to the human spirit reign over the rest of us. We need another (dozen) Cassius Clays.

> We need another (dozen) Cassius Clays.

And yet you call him by a name he himself changed and hated.

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Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). I hope, over all else, his contributions to the human spirit reign over the rest of us. We need another (dozen) Cassius Clays.

> Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). What? You think current public figures are being prevented from being out spoken? Have you seen 50cent's twitter? Have you seen Donald Trump's? Lots of people are being out spoken, maybe more than I personally like, but whatever floats thei…

There's a big difference between Trump's blowhard populism and Muhammad Ali's firm, unpopular beliefs. Trump says things with no filter, with utter disregard for their meaning, consequence, or congruence with the last thing he said. I respect him for having the guts to be stream of consciousness and throwing out each thought, but he's not, in any of his campaign, stating policy, but just this thought process.

Muhammad Ali had much to say. He was an outspoken civil rights supporter, anti draft activist, and convert to Islam, and a true believer in all those thoughts even when the majority of the country, even his fans, were against his positions. Hell, I'm against two of the three of those, and I still respect him enormously. He had a well spoken, eloquent, and coherent speaking style. He made you understand what his precepts were, how they shaped his philosophy, and he came to conclusions that you could respect. He wasn't simply outspoken, he was a good orator and a philosopher.

There's a great interview with him in The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby. Tom Wolfe is not his intended audience, but is utterly enthralled. He comes across as genuine, progressive (in a meaning of that word that is positive), and concerned with his fellow man (if intending to be insular in parts of his philosophy.) He's no saint, but one of the most genuine people in the stardom limelight.

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Muhammad Ali is something we won't allow public figures to be anymore. Being outspoken and standing up for his beliefs, against all repercussions, were his his greatest feat(s). I hope, over all else, his contributions to the human spirit reign over the rest of us. We need another (dozen) Cassius Clays.

> We need another (dozen) Cassius Clays. And yet you call him by a name he himself changed and hated.

We are not garnered respect, within birth, but the parents who choose to bring us into this life are.

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Some great quotes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3624652/The-30-best-...

To make America the greatest is my goal, so I beat the Russian and I beat the Pole. And for the USA won the medal of gold. The Greeks said you're better than the Cassius of old.' - He said this quote after he won the Olympic light-heavyweight gold medal at the 1960 Games in Rome

Pretty amazing for an 18 year old .. if a bit Trump-like.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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An earlier HN article (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9478442), partly an appreciation of Ali's style, made me look up an early fight of his from 1966:

http://youtu.be/oJUzl0aFHZw

It lasts only 8 minutes. The opponent is clearly a slugger who is baffled by Ali's style. Ali moves very fast, and fights with his gloves down. I'm not a fan of boxing, but she's right, that fight is an amazing spectacle.

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I don't think any athlete will ever match Ali's impact. He could get into see anybody. The US State department used him as back door conduit to pass messages.

He was a big fan of basketball. He had a house outside Benton Harbor on Lake Michigan is the southwest part of the state near Indiana. Someone passed word to the coach of the Michigan State Spartans that Ali was a fan of the team. Coach Izzo arranged for him to attend a game each year.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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If you want to understand Ali's genius then I highly recommend When We Were Kings, an Oscar-winning documentary about Ali's 'Rumble in the Jungle'.

After watching it, I finally understood that he wasn't just another athlete with a big ego and mouth, but a brilliant, courageous competitor, far beyond the rest.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118147/

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