Vivaldi 1.2 release • Hacker News Board

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by dzek69 » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:39 AM UTC

castell wrote: post #28

JasonSage wrote: post #15

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> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

there is a lot of mail client, tbh, you just not know them. Mailbird is a popular example you've skipped.

for my desires - all of them sucks anyway, not providing basic features that are needed and bloating the client with thing almost-nobody-need

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by zerr » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:42 AM UTC

levesque wrote: post #47

zerr wrote: post #42

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Similarly to Opera, the startup time (even hot) is far behind Chrome. This is a deal breaker.

Your browser stays open for 99% of the day, I don't see why a slow startup would be a deal breaker.

No, my browser gets closed/opened a lot during the day.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by dzek69 » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:42 AM UTC

tachyons wrote: post #8

They should make their browser more native to os in look

they dont want to. but you can enable native window decorator from your os. theming (for icons) will be available some day in the future

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by dzek69 » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:42 AM UTC

tachyons wrote: post #7

mrmondo wrote: post #6

Where can I find the source for the project?

This isn't an open source project

this is open source.

https://vivaldi.com/source/

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by folksonomy » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:47 AM UTC

dzek69 wrote: post #54

tachyons wrote: post #7

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This isn't an open source project

this is open source. https://vivaldi.com/source/

Is it easy to get a reproducible build? Has anyone tried?

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by tdkl » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:48 AM UTC

jve wrote: post #38

JasonSage wrote: post #15

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> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

Simple: "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski

Mail sounds like a dream compared to each app integrating a messaging silo nowadays.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by tdkl » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:50 AM UTC

castell wrote: post #28

JasonSage wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

eMClient. Convo mode comes in future version now in beta though, but it can do ActiveSync and *DAV.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by ahoka » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 11:52 AM UTC

StevePerkins wrote: post #46

It feels like they're trying to serve two competing goals with this: 1) Be a faster, lighter, more customizable competitor to Chrome 2) Be a full "Internet suite" with browser and email client I'm sure how well you can accomplish #1 while pouring resources into #2. Moreover, I'm not sure how much of an audience there even is for #2. The minority who want a desktop email client are very vocal about it, but most of us…

They are kinda repeating the mistakes of Opera. I used Vivaldi for a few weeks and I really wanted to like it but it has (at least currently) to many quirks. For example not being able to delete addresses from the history which is given for every other browser. All I want is a Chrome with a nicer GUI.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by SyneRyder » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 12:01 PM UTC

mariusmg wrote: post #43

SyneRyder wrote: post #35

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I like Postbox, which is a commercial fork of Thunderbird. Seems to hit most of your needs (not sure about the conversation view as I always turn off threads) and has some of the keyboard shortcuts of GMail. Definitely lets you store emails on disk / offline. Alas version 4 has been less stable than version 3 was. (Not free, but $20 is pretty cheap.)

Genuine question but what does something like Postbox has (for regular users) over the vanilla Thunderbird + addons to justify $20 ?

It's been so long since I used Thunderbird that I'm not sure. I don't know if Thunderbird has things like the Focus Pane, where I can live-filter my Inbox down to just certain topics or certain senders. It feels a bit like OmniFocus or a GTD / Getting Things Done workflow:

http://www.softwarecrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/postb...

The killer app for me is the Postbox 4 feature to file a message in a folder just by pressing the V keyboard shortcut. Postbox then shows an Alfred/Spotlight-like "quick bar" with autocomplete - so just by typing "V GER" I can file an email in my "German Lessons" subfolder without ever taking my hands off the keyboard. They have a similar feature for automatically entering responses with a couple of keystrokes:

https://www.postbox-inc.com/blog/entry/postbox-4-quick-bar

(I also like that Postbox prompts if it detects the word "attached" and you forget to add the attachment, but I assume most email clients have that now.)

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by mariusmg » Fri, Jun 03, 2016, 12:14 PM UTC

SyneRyder wrote: post #59

mariusmg wrote: post #43

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Genuine question but what does something like Postbox has (for regular users) over the vanilla Thunderbird + addons to justify $20 ?

It's been so long since I used Thunderbird that I'm not sure. I don't know if Thunderbird has things like the Focus Pane, where I can live-filter my Inbox down to just certain topics or certain senders. It feels a bit like OmniFocus or a GTD / Getting Things Done workflow: http://www.softwarecrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/postb... The killer app for me is the Postbox 4 feature to file a message in a folder just…

This can be done with addons in TB :

- Expression search addon to filter/search the inbox.

- Nostalgy addon for moving mail (and navigating the mailbox only with the keyboard). This addon is basically required for serious usage. Just press b and a popup shows up and allows you tochoose folder with autocomplete. It looks like this http://i.imgur.com/qYheafo.png