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Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not stupid, it's true - a lot of the UI is written in HTML/CSS/Javascript.

Like Atom? So it is not unique. We can say this statement for a lot of software products being Chromium more special and from a third party.

Also like Firefox, XUL is XML + CSS + JS. And that's what, close to 20 years old now?

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

#22
post #5

A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

There are those of us who prefer having a well-integrated "Internet suite" (web browser, mail client), a la what Mozilla used to provide prior to the Firefox - Thunderbird split, or what Opera used to provide prior to being turned into a Chrome clone.

> As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon and open it in a sidebar at any point you like.

I... uh, I'm not sure, or at least I hope that's not what they mean by building a mail client. Not having to use a shitty web-based interface is about 75% of why I'm using a mail client.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

There are those of us who prefer having a well-integrated "Internet suite" (web browser, mail client), a la what Mozilla used to provide prior to the Firefox - Thunderbird split, or what Opera used to provide prior to being turned into a Chrome clone. > As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon…

The whole browser is a "web-based interface". Vivaldi is built using HTML/JS.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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OMG yet another desktop application in javascript.

What's so wrong about that? All the heavy browser lifting is done by the browser engine, which is native, and everything else is just... chrome. Which doesn't really have huge performance requirements.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are those of us who prefer having a well-integrated "Internet suite" (web browser, mail client), a la what Mozilla used to provide prior to the Firefox - Thunderbird split, or what Opera used to provide prior to being turned into a Chrome clone. > As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon…

The whole browser is a "web-based interface". Vivaldi is built using HTML/JS.

Yes, but at least passing interface events doesn't require issuing a HTTP request to some server located halfway across the globe, and it gets at least some of the native metaphors right.

It still looks and feels like a square peg in a round hole (not to mention slower than a drunk tortoise), but it's a little better than a web page thing.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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post #5

A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source)

Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued.

What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail.

Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb IMAP support, runs on my PC and stores all emails on disk. What's disappointing is that many email clients still have no conversation view (or a broken one like Outlook), just a "sent" and "inbox" folder, and this in 2016.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

#29

> We use JavaScript and React to create the user interface with the help of Node.js and a long list of NPM modules. Does this make any difference to the user?

They are aiming to please power-users, some of which might be pleased to know which stack is used.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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There is a lot of security considerations to make a browser. JavaScript based technologies are not well known for their security.

In practice any kind of technology is only as good as its developers.

And I doubt that the security record of "Javascript based technologies" is better or worse than the security record of "C/C++ based technologies", for that matter.

As a purely theoretical point, "Javascript based technologies" have the advantage of automatic memory management, which, again, theoretically, removes an attack vector almost entirely.

Getting back on track, a browser is engine + UI. Vivaldi uses Chromium as the engine. HTML/JS are used just for the UI.

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