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Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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Holy shit, I am constantly amazed that people like this know how to use computers. Can we bring the internet back to being a technocratic meritocracy with only people who share my biases and opinions, please?

Do you assume that coders can't be racist?

Some one makes and manages their websites heck white supremacists and other extremist groups were one of the earliest adopters of the Internet because it was a media that allowed them to speak freely.

You can't say kikes and niggers on TV you can't even say it on licensed radio but on the internet you can call for all the gassing and cross burning you want.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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Please excuse my naïveté, and I do not share the opinions of the neo-nazis, but isn't it part of free speech to able to use these symbols and to be prejudiced? Edit: My follow-up question: Why then is it Twitter's responsibility to censor such speech?

Twitter is not obligated to provide users with free speech.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the things I love abt HN is the difference of opinions. You can have a post that tells you all the great things abt A, then in the comments you hear why A is bad, but also there is C. It is sad that internet trolls exist, but at the same time the internet is amazing bc trolls exist, or that they can exist. The ability for everyone to communicate freely brings out the best in humanity, but also the worst. The s…

>HN has diversity of opinions Keep telling yourself that, HN is an echo chamber. Diversity of opinion is shunned. Anything that does not fit the SJW narrative will be down voted to death like this very comment.

Arguably, SJ-related topics get their share of downvotes too.

But yeah, I agree with you on the fact that HN is mostly an echo chamber. I'm just less sure that we're hearing the same echo. :)

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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post #63

I've actually not heard about this. It's a shame "alt-right" became synonymous with bigot, white nationalist, etc. The underlying political philosophy is sound, but for some reason the crowd it attracts are essentially losers (in a very specific economic sense).

Don't let the media get away with this. They're trying to pigeon-hole a whole movement based on a small and loud minority. You rarely see this same treatment of the left and the violent radical-left protesters that are a permanent fixture at big Western events like G8 summits, party conventions, etc. Or the massive web of leftist voices, on tumblr, Gawker, and even in columns of "respectable" papers, that constantly make terrible sweeping generalizations about men and white people.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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Please excuse my naïveté, and I do not share the opinions of the neo-nazis, but isn't it part of free speech to able to use these symbols and to be prejudiced? Edit: My follow-up question: Why then is it Twitter's responsibility to censor such speech?

It doesn't matter if you think it's your responsibility or not. A fundamental rule of the Internet is that spam and abuse make everything suck. Therefore all large Internet sites (and some small ones) have to moderate or police it one way or another. Even if they started out fairly libertarian, eventually they'll get dragged in, or else they'll lose users. (4chan is the closest thing to an exception, and even they ha…

That is so interesting. I wonder if there is a way you could model that over time / give a rating. You could have a large list or controversial words (prob better would be doing NLP phrases) and look at all content of a site has over time, and get a count of how much "controversial content" it contains.

To get the list of what is controversial you could look at the content guidelines from top sites around the world and compile a list.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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It occurs to me that the correct "punishment" for a hate crime is to force the person to live in a loving, caring community of the hated group until one day they break down and cry and want to hug and apologize to everyone in the community. EDIT: "I'm so sorry, I've been such a schmuck," the ex-neonazi tearfully confesses as his pretty Jewish girlfriend hugs him and kisses him on the cheek.

as outlandish as this sounds, I could see it totally working

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that he deleted his comment that said "I am a white nationalist".

I did, because people here can get pretty salty and I didn't want to "bite the bait", but yes, now that you insist, I am one, and I am not ashamed of it.

What type of white? Slavic is different from Anglo-Saxon is different from Germanic is etc., not too long ago all the various white groups in American had their own gangs and gang wars because "white" as a broad term wasn't good enough. Do you think that because of the threats of Mexican-Americans and African-Americans (do you also have any issues with the over-representation of Asians of various types in tech?) it now makes sense to band "broadly European" peoples together in reaction, or is it something else?

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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post #66
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you a white nationalist? Do you think badly of people who aren't white or that such people should be treated differently? If so why?

I'm neither white nor a white nationalist, but the way I understand it is that white nationalism seeks to preserve an arbitrary trait known as "whiteness". In other words, they feel that the white "race" as a whole is being genocided because of race mixing. Some feel that there is an international conspiracy of Jews orchestrating this white genocide. If you try to disagree with them, they will reply that you are eith…

As I understand it it's not even purely race mixing that's a problem but race replacing. I wish every white nationalist would get their DNA sampled so they can see how pure they really are, even just among white people! But anyway broadly-white-peoples are breeding below replacement rates while broadly-(Africans|Mexicans|Arab|Turkish) ethnic groups are not. As a refugee/immigrant to Germany laid it out at some protest, Germany will become a majority-Muslim ethnically-Arab country within some number of decades just from sheer population growth of one group over the other, and what will remain will not be Germany even if it still calls itself such. A white nationalist then is just a person who doesn't want this to happen to their white country. Of course there are the more insane white nationalists who see Jews everywhere and so on, but nationalism is a spectrum you know? Japan for instance remains pretty xenophobic but they can maintain that without also being outright hostile towards Chinese, so the hostility towards Chinese has been going down.

If this was 1916 instead of 2016 I think the basic white nationalists would have a stronger case. This isn't a CURRENT_YEAR remark, but just a remark that timescales involving even 40+ years are ridiculously difficult to predict right now because technology overwhelms classic human nature, so when the impact of these things won't be felt for that far off in the classic human history case of technology remaining the same it's not very fruitful to dwell on it in the current reality of technology changing rapidly. That isn't to say they don't have any case at all but a lot of it is too little too late. They want to move to be more like Japan when they should really be satisfied with something more like Singapore. Not importing millions of foreigners permanently would also not be a bad idea but again, a bit too little too late.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

#89
post #79

Holy shit, I am constantly amazed that people like this know how to use computers. Can we bring the internet back to being a technocratic meritocracy with only people who share my biases and opinions, please?

Do you assume that coders can't be racist? Some one makes and manages their websites heck white supremacists and other extremist groups were one of the earliest adopters of the Internet because it was a media that allowed them to speak freely. You can't say kikes and niggers on TV you can't even say it on licensed radio but on the internet you can call for all the gassing and cross burning you want.

It was sarcastic.
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