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Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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Does the same pathology apply in other commodity markets as well?

My understanding is that it does for anything that comes in bulk by boat. Copper, met coal, etc.

Out of genuine curiosity: how often are traders taking physical delivery? Don't they just roll contracts forward? Why do they even care what the (figurative) harbormaster is doing/saying?

I absolutely see the reason for the ops side to be on YIM. But the traders? At the end of the day, in well regulated markets, that's just asking for trouble when the regulators come calling.

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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Once everyone in an industry starts using a particular platform to do business, switching is very very hard. The porn industry still uses ICQ.

Is there a reason or just like with oil it happened? Do you happen to work in the industry?

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Sounds like an opportunity for someone to buy yahoo messenger, make it work the way the oil industry wants it, and sell it to them as an industry specific chat service. No need to bring the rest of Yahoo along for the ride.

you forgot they are running a multi trillion dollar industry on free-as-in-beer software. I doubt they would pay $5 per user. or even a year flat fee. and since they will not pay, you will have to run it on ads. And supporting online/mobile offerings (that do not have their requirement of local client/local logs) will always give you more money. it is a lose/lose situation.

> you forgot they are running a multi trillion dollar industry on free-as-in-beer software.

Isn't that the basis of enterprise linux?

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that it does for anything that comes in bulk by boat. Copper, met coal, etc.

Out of genuine curiosity: how often are traders taking physical delivery? Don't they just roll contracts forward? Why do they even care what the (figurative) harbormaster is doing/saying? I absolutely see the reason for the ops side to be on YIM. But the traders? At the end of the day, in well regulated markets, that's just asking for trouble when the regulators come calling.

The goings on at the port will have an impact on the price, and that's what the traders care about.

Lets say there's some problem at a port (bad weather, labor strike, whatever) that causes delays in the delivery of (other people's) oil, traders are still going to be interested because it will push up the price, even though if they're not taking delivery from that particular ship.

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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The oil traders could move to WhatsApp or somesuch but I'd be kind of sad if they went. The other day I was trying to get free historical stock data via an API and Yahoo Finance was about the only thing that did it ok. Yahoo could assure their financial future by going massively long oil futures and then putting out false messages about Saudi Arabia having been nuked by ISIS or some such. A tad illegal perhaps but an…

Can you record your conversations (I think you can)? But most importantly, can you use WhatsApp without a cell phone number? It has to be tied to your email address and not a cell phone.

The recorded conversations are gone when you switch devices. They are saved locally and not on the server.

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

#56
It sounds like Yahoo has wasted one opportunity after another.

Yahoo clearly did not know why the oil industry is using Yahoo Messenger. Instead of doubling down and building a product for that market, they build a replacement product that's going to be detached from the needs of its users.

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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> In Geneva, the epicenter of Switzerland’s $21 billion commodity-trading industry, accounting for about one-third of the world’s daily oil transactions That's pretty impressive for a country that has never even been visited by an oil tanker.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Switzerland's extremely strong financial privacy laws.

> Switzerland's extremely strong financial privacy laws

We are also subject to relatively draconian surveillance [1].

[1] https://www.bestvpn.com/blog/30241/switzerland-passes-severe...

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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I know someone in the oil industry and was surprised by this as well, but it is absolutely true. They really do use Yahoo a lot. When I asked why they haven't switched, I was given a response similar to what the articles says, "that all regulatory and internal controls are addressed" I believe natural gas communication is still done by AIM a lot.

> natural gas communication is still done by AIM a lot

Lots of U.S. securities trading happens over AOL Instant Messenger (AIM). When I traded equity derivatives, I'd have three communication tools open: internal IM, Bloomberg chat and AIM.

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that it does for anything that comes in bulk by boat. Copper, met coal, etc.

Out of genuine curiosity: how often are traders taking physical delivery? Don't they just roll contracts forward? Why do they even care what the (figurative) harbormaster is doing/saying? I absolutely see the reason for the ops side to be on YIM. But the traders? At the end of the day, in well regulated markets, that's just asking for trouble when the regulators come calling.

If they're talking about traders "in Geneva", they're talking about physical traders. Can't speak for oil which we didn't trade but for ags and metals, you would take delivery since it's your business (getting stuff from A to B).

Speculation on price is not done by taking paper positions in one direction, but by limiting or increasing your paper hedge, aka trading the "basis" or margin between your physical and your paper.

The physical side requires a fair amount of "RTFC" ("caring what the harbormaster is saying") and being aware of operations.

As an example we were given in training, one of our grains trader went to inspect a ship before loading it with grain, and the local guy thought something was dodgy so he closed the doors, and shone his torch at the walls. Thousands of "stars" blinked back at them. Turns out the ship had been used recently to carry broken glass, which obviously made it highly unsuitable for grains.

But the more common stuff is e.g. overloading the ship on one side so that it leans on the side you know the controller will measure the load, or playing with the percentage admixture (basically dead beasts and dirt) to net yourself a bit more margin.

Re: Oil Traders May Be the Only Ones Who Want Yahoo to Survive

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post #56

It sounds like Yahoo has wasted one opportunity after another. Yahoo clearly did not know why the oil industry is using Yahoo Messenger. Instead of doubling down and building a product for that market, they build a replacement product that's going to be detached from the needs of its users.

You think Yahoo would release Yahoo Oil Messenger (tm)?
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