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Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Thiel's multiple cases against Gawker are a death knell for American journalism. To be clear, I don't like Gawker's approach to journalism, and I disagree with their decision to out Thiel and expose Hogan. If Gawker goes under, the world will not be a poorer place. But the PRECEDENT that Thiel is setting is deeply disturbing, and it will hurt US democracy. When any billionaire can sue any publication into bankruptcy anonymously over any story they ever wrote, all publications will eventually belong to another oligarch, because that is the only way they'll survive. And the stories that publications write are a reflection of their owners, which means the oligarchs will exert even more influence on the American mind than they already do. This will cast a chill on independent journalism, and limit the voices that we read. Thiel is right as an individual case, and horrible if you go one layer of abstraction above that.

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Freedom of the press for only publications we like is not really valuable.

Libel and ignoring court orders is not part of a free press.

Sorry, I may have missed this, but I don't recall them having committed libel. Do you have examples?

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you watched any of the depositions or testimony in this trial? I feel like the lawyers and Denton were the only people from Gawker who were taking this case seriously. Time and time again the hostility and outright contempt coming from the Gawker side only served to undermine their case. AJ Daulerio specifically, but even his subordinates and Gawker management were trying to out draw the lawyers every time they…

Personally, I am definitely not interested in defending most of Gawker's behavior here. I think Denton is a heel, a reprobate, and frequently a fool. What I do care about is that people recognize that using money to silence reporting, however lowbrow and however nettlesome, is a step on the road to oligarchy. The 1st Amendment is a cornerstone of our democracy. Thiel here isn't trying to litigate an issue of concern…

I'm not making a value judgement on the merits of the case... what I'm saying is they failed to defend themselves adequately.

This was a winnable case and if they had done a better job we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I am definitely not interested in defending most of Gawker's behavior here. I think Denton is a heel, a reprobate, and frequently a fool. What I do care about is that people recognize that using money to silence reporting, however lowbrow and however nettlesome, is a step on the road to oligarchy. The 1st Amendment is a cornerstone of our democracy. Thiel here isn't trying to litigate an issue of concern…

I'm not making a value judgement on the merits of the case... what I'm saying is they failed to defend themselves adequately. This was a winnable case and if they had done a better job we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Ah, interesting. Sorry I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying!
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