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Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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The two sexes are not identical. Boy are you going to be surprised about what pants are hiding.

You know exactly what I mean. Arguing for the idea of "brain sex" is essentialist and ridiculous. There's nothing that makes my wife or the average woman a less capable programmer than anyone else in the field other than a consistent problem with socialization.

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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What would people think if the genders were reversed and this institution was discriminating against women and only helping men? Women have a far larger presence in other fields like biology and education, but you don't see new organizations popping up every other month to change that in favor of men. Discrimination like this should be illegal.

The reason women dominate in certain fields is that those fields were generally seen as less important, so women were pushed into them. E.g., doctors were men, women were nurses, and there was an enormous pay and prestige difference between the two. (Hint: it did not favor the nurses.)

If you're interested in learning more, researching "pink ghetto" will get you started.

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

#123

What would people think if the genders were reversed and this institution was discriminating against women and only helping men? Women have a far larger presence in other fields like biology and education, but you don't see new organizations popping up every other month to change that in favor of men. Discrimination like this should be illegal.

The reason women dominate in certain fields is that those fields were generally seen as less important, so women were pushed into them. E.g., doctors were men, women were nurses, and there was an enormous pay and prestige difference between the two. (Hint: it did not favor the nurses.) If you're interested in learning more, researching "pink ghetto" will get you started.

80% of people working in PR are women. Is that a pink ghetto as well?

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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I find it quite interesting that a similar number of 50% of men who enter the teacher profession also leaves while the number for women is about half. In stark contrast however, the quote text, the theory on why men drops out of female dominated professions share nothing in common with the theories on why women leave male dominated. In a 2009 report by the Swedish national agency, they argue that the reason why peopl…

In Ontario, male teachers are not allowed to take children to the washroom, even if the child is a boy. This is a problem because if a child with a disability needs to use the washroom, he needs to wait until a female staff member is available. I understand why men would drop out of the school system. Before you even start, you're already considered a predator.

I hardly think that particular case (abhorrent and indefensible though it is) is indicative of the statu quo.

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Anecdotal, but my cousin was a primary school teacher and faced an incredible amount of hostility because of his gender from parents and colleagues and left for construction after 2 years.

Westerners seem to have a serious distrust in men when it comes to young children. A woman talking to kids in a park is most obviously a mom. A man talking to kids in a park is most obviously a paedophile.

At least where I come from I do not feel that in the slightest.

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I don't have an interest in forwarding the notion that one gender is superior to the other in anyway shape or form. But neither are both genders identical . For example, the video I linked above, there is a brief observation made about how more female doctors drifted towards pediatrics than men. I don't think that says anything about the potential of either gender, but I would possibly describe it as a gender prefere…

>"But neither are both genders are identical." I'm going to take a step back and substitute gender for sex. Saying that the two sexes are not identical is a very interesting, and strong stance. Especially seeing as it is impossible to prove with socialization and neuroplasticity. I don't doubt that there are preferences based on gender. Gender is the word that we use to describe a set of sex-stereotypes that we proje…

I'm not saying it's true that biological sex creates certain predispositions, but it's also not unreasonable. The people who dogmatically deny it outright are as bad as the people who strongly affirm such differences despite lack of evidence.

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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Westerners seem to have a serious distrust in men when it comes to young children. A woman talking to kids in a park is most obviously a mom. A man talking to kids in a park is most obviously a paedophile.

At least where I come from I do not feel that in the slightest.

I envy you. I feel weird when dealing with children for exactly that reason.

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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>"But neither are both genders are identical." I'm going to take a step back and substitute gender for sex. Saying that the two sexes are not identical is a very interesting, and strong stance. Especially seeing as it is impossible to prove with socialization and neuroplasticity. I don't doubt that there are preferences based on gender. Gender is the word that we use to describe a set of sex-stereotypes that we proje…

I'm not saying it's true that biological sex creates certain predispositions, but it's also not unreasonable. The people who dogmatically deny it outright are as bad as the people who strongly affirm such differences despite lack of evidence.

Would you say the same about any other causal relationship? Are there any implications of it that don't perpetuate the idea that women are intellectually inferior? That don't shift the burdens of emotional labor and child rearing onto children? The idea is so obviously sexist...

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[0] "One reason for the poor Nordic performance at higher corporate levels is high taxes, which limits the amount of household services supplied through markets. If it is harder to hire someone to do the chores, that makes it harder for women to invest the time to climb the career ladder." This is just so goddamn laughable. Again we come back to the implication that women are the de-facto owners of housework. [1] jus…

Women are the de-facto consumers of housework - the party most likely to care if it's done or not. Creating a disparity in paid leave for women and men again creates a default assumption of women as caregivers. Sweden used to give both parents 16 months of leave to split as they liked. When parents chose to give it all to the mother, Sweden decided to force men to take 2 months (or give them up). Now they are increas…

> Women are the de-facto consumers of housework - the party most likely to care if it's done or not.

Bachelor pads have a reputation for a reason. Introducing a woman into a dwelling tends to reveal a host of categories of housework that must be done that were previously entirely unknown, and at enormously higher frequency than ever conceived by the bachelor.

Then again, many men (myself included...) would probably be alright if we were allowed to still live in a cave and curl up at night with a flea-ridden aurochs pelt...

Re: Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

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We should do all we can to support mothers and parents. They should be free to make their own choices. But nobody should be surprised if mothers make different choices than fathers. Nor should we force the matter. There is some biology here. Equality doesn't create interchangeability.

I'm arguing for equality of opportunity, not outcome. If the final split isn't 50/50, fine, as long as everyone is making free choices. The problem is that today that (equality of opportunity) is not the case -- there's immense pressure for the woman to be the one to stay home, if someone does.

Precisely. I just want equality of opportunity, that people are free to do what they want, not necessarily that the choices are a perfect 50/50 coin toss. However, since we posit that there are no inherent biological mental differences between sexes then some people contend that if the split is not 50/50 then there is still discrimination.
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