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A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

#43

A guy I went to high school with used to take a pause and say "Jewish" loudly after any Jewish name he'd read/say. Seriously. Fucking Catholic school.

I imagined this with the voice of Wallace Shawn from Heaven Help Us for some reason.

Definitely spot on pick for the inflection, but not the tone.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

#44

Please excuse my naïveté, and I do not share the opinions of the neo-nazis, but isn't it part of free speech to able to use these symbols and to be prejudiced? Edit: My follow-up question: Why then is it Twitter's responsibility to censor such speech?

There's a difference between free speech and harassment. It's perfectly legal to use the echo in a Tweet. What's not legal (or at least isn't allowed on most social media platforms) is using the echo to call people to harass and threat a specific person. For example, it's legal to say/tweet "Bob Smith is a little bitch" It's not legal to send Bob Smith 50 messages telling him he's a little bitch and threatening to mu…

    > What's not... allowed... is using the echo to call people to harass and threat a specific person.
Wouldn't the layman interpret all 'echo's as a call to action? Do you hold one user accountable for drawing attention to a user who is now receiving messages from third parties?

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

#45

Please excuse my naïveté, and I do not share the opinions of the neo-nazis, but isn't it part of free speech to able to use these symbols and to be prejudiced? Edit: My follow-up question: Why then is it Twitter's responsibility to censor such speech?

I'm not sure it's twitter's responsibility. That's up to twitter, though I would appreciate it if they would clearly mark their position on these sorts of things.

If you'd read the article, you would have seen that they have - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/31/facebook-...

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

#46
When I first saw the ((( ))) meme, it was being used something along the lines of (((triggered))), and I thought it was shorthand for a trigger warning.

Unfortunate to learn how it's used; I thought it was really clever at the time.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

#47

Please excuse my naïveté, and I do not share the opinions of the neo-nazis, but isn't it part of free speech to able to use these symbols and to be prejudiced? Edit: My follow-up question: Why then is it Twitter's responsibility to censor such speech?

It doesn't matter if you think it's your responsibility or not. A fundamental rule of the Internet is that spam and abuse make everything suck.

Therefore all large Internet sites (and some small ones) have to moderate or police it one way or another. Even if they started out fairly libertarian, eventually they'll get dragged in, or else they'll lose users.

(4chan is the closest thing to an exception, and even they have rules. Most websites don't want to be 4chan.)

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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Secret? I don't think it's secret anymore. I follow lots of white nationalists and I have seen it for months already. This one was particularly funny, although I don't know if it's fake or not. https://i.imgur.com/A6aJYs7.png What's also funny is how the article insists on ((())) being designed and engineered by evil masterminds to be unsearchable, when it's just incidental.

I... don't really see why what you attached is funny? Not because of the offensive topic but just because... there's no humour there?

Because he's a white nationalist and he admitted down below and he's proud of it.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that he deleted his comment that said "I am a white nationalist".

I did, because people here can get pretty salty and I didn't want to "bite the bait", but yes, now that you insist, I am one, and I am not ashamed of it.

So, this is one of the things that's so disturbing about Trump's rise. It is causing people with repugnant, undemocratic, ideals to feel empowered to be much more open about their beliefs, and more likely to take public action in support of them.

There's always been an attempt to normalize hate speech as mere difference of opinion, but now that a popular national politician has tacitly endorsed the extremist arm of the American right, things are getting frightening.

Reasonable Republicans and conservatives, of which there are many in tech, should be particularly concerned about this shift.

Re: A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between free speech and harassment. It's perfectly legal to use the echo in a Tweet. What's not legal (or at least isn't allowed on most social media platforms) is using the echo to call people to harass and threat a specific person. For example, it's legal to say/tweet "Bob Smith is a little bitch" It's not legal to send Bob Smith 50 messages telling him he's a little bitch and threatening to mu…

> What's not... allowed... is using the echo to call people to harass and threat a specific person. Wouldn't the layman interpret all 'echo's as a call to action? Do you hold one user accountable for drawing attention to a user who is now receiving messages from third parties?

> Do you hold one user accountable for drawing attention to a user who is now receiving messages from third parties

Inciting violence against a person makes you responsible for the violence that follows; let's not pretend this is something different - it's not.

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