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Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Probably because without these regulations, there would be no visibility for niche productions, no way for them to reach the few people who want to watch them. That may run contradictory to capitalist beliefs, but the system intends to allow existence of films/music/cultural products which (regardless of quality) have too few customers to survive in a non-regulated market. If you wish to keep having diversity in your…

Unfortunately, due to the way broadcast television works, it's just not possible to cater to minority tastes. There's just no way to have the people who enjoy niche productions to pay the creators of those productions directly. If only there were some sort of global system for distributing niche productions to those subscribers who want to see them. Perhaps some sort of system using minicomputers to transmit the info…

Broadcast television can and has been catering to minority tastes for many, many years as we all know. It just can't bankroll itself by doing this, so it requires public funds or regulations to prop it up.

But sometimes making room for minority viewpoints/culture/attitudes is worth interrupting the all-consuming capitalist neoliberal worldview for a moment, if just long enough to allow someone to point out its many flaws.

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I am not sure I agree with the specifics but I think generally it's healthy for the world to keep multi-national companies in check. So even if it's a stupid law that blocks multinationals the effect will be positive in my view if it fosters a local tech scene. The big Silicon Valley companies are already killing a lot of innovation so it's better to stop them from reaching more dominance.

How are they killing innovation?

Perhaps by buying out young innovative companies. Once the company is acquired, the competition may lose interest in competing with the giant.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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I say we take it further- France should have to support movies in Languedoc and Alsatian and Breton as well. Surely the French nation can only benefit from such diversity. After all, New Guinea has 6000 languages surely such diversity of thought has them only minutes away from conquering the world...

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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The article starts by asking you to view things from another perspective. It's not asking you to "knock" Netflix, it's inviting you to consider the point of view of people who do. American media is subtly hegemonising. All media carries with it the culture of those who produce it, but US media also carries a very strong assumption of "defaultness": that everyone is a (mostly white) American at heart. What effect does…

That doesn't seem to be true. Bollywood is thriving. So are Mexican telenovelas. Chinese influence in culture and technology is on the rise - witness the attempts by the west to clone WeChat. Japanese influence on western movies is so common as to be unremarkable. Maybe the problem with Gaelic, Welsh and French language movies/etc is that they just suck. People learning American alongside their own language, while Am…

French movies don't generally suck, just like not all US produced movies are great. Some are considered classics, for example the work of Godard. A lot of Hollywood movies objectively suck, yet they are billion dollar enterprises. There are plenty examples, such as most of the 4th of July Disaster movies, Transformers, a lot of the super hero movies, etc.. They are objectively trash, yet have a huge impact on young people all over the world.

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post #72

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Progressives move forever more to the left, and then accuse the right of "moving right" because we didn't move to your new definition of center fast enough. Excuse me, conservatives have not actually managed to get signed any major conservative initiative in the US in 50 years, because of that line. Our government is bigger than it has ever been: -we haven't privatized schools or gotten vouchers, -we haven't abolishe…

> Progressives move forever farther and farther to the left, and then accuse the right of "moving right" because we didn't move to your new definition of center fast enough. The individual mandate for purchase of private insurance + subsidy system adopted as "Obamacare" was first proposed by the Republicans and insurance industry lobbyists in opposition to healthcare reform efforts under the Clinton administration. T…

>"The individual mandate for purchase of private insurance + subsidy system adopted as "Obamacare" was first proposed by the Republicans and insurance industry lobbyists in opposition to healthcare reform efforts under the Clinton administration. [...] I don’t recognize this new brand of Republicanism that is afoot now, which I consider to be very reactionary, not conservative in many respects. "

That's exactly right.

The Republican party of today has found itself only reacting to liberal policies. We're basically forced to put forward alternative, smaller, liberal policies to stave off the big ones. Rather than arguing to draw down Medicare, we're sitting here talking about establishing alternative socialist policies.

>"The right's also unsuccessfully pushed vouchers and drastically cutting public school funding, but when your pushing for multiple and mutually-exclusive things, "

Vouchers are in many cases cheaper than public schools -- they are not mutually exclusive.

>" you got to abolish AFDC, one of the biggest social programs in the country, and replace it with the more-restrictive TANF."

Taking a $22b/yr (out of ~$240b in social welfare programs), and replacing it with a $17b/yr program doesn't seem the big win to me that you make it out to be.

>"Religious Freedom Restoration Act"

That law limited religious freedom. It says that if you can prove a compelling interest, and can prove a law is the least restrictive way to do something, you can do it even though it steps on a person's constitutional right to free exercise.

The pro-religious freedoms version of that law, which would have been supported by a liberal reading of the constitution, would have read "The government may not limit a person's free exercise of religion, unless that freedom kills or maims another human being, or severely damages their personal property."

That was yet another example of a statist law put in place with the hope that it would stop additional statist laws from coming down the pike (of course, to no avail).

>"NFIB v. Sebelius "

Medicaid and Obamacare are not legal programs to begin with in a strictly constitutional sense. Their constitutionality was predicated on a very strange, and wishy-washy reinterpretation of the Commerce clause. (Albeit a popular one, for obvious reasons.)

Commerce, as written, was clearly denoting treaties of trade between governmental bodies (read tariffs and trade restrictions), not saying that the Federal government has a right to establish any new laws they desire, so long as they relate to money -- even requiring someone to purchase something they don't want:

[Congress has the right...] "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." That's all.

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

The article starts by asking you to view things from another perspective. It's not asking you to "knock" Netflix, it's inviting you to consider the point of view of people who do. American media is subtly hegemonising. All media carries with it the culture of those who produce it, but US media also carries a very strong assumption of "defaultness": that everyone is a (mostly white) American at heart. What effect does…

American media is subtly hegemonising.

One could easily say that most of world culture has come about because of "subtle hegemony." The French and Spanish languages wouldn't exist in their present forms without the "subtle hegemony" of the Roman Empire's cultural exports. Most of East Asian culture would be vastly different without the "subtle hegemony" of the Chinese culture.

The problem is even worse for local ethno-linguistic minorities such as Gaelic and Welsh in the UK...Like endangered species. But with every language dies a culture and a literature.

I'm well aware of this phenomenon. However, history clearly shows that human beings will always make more culture. That said, there are compelling reasons for maintaining diversity. If you've ever played around with Genetic Algorithms, you have experienced what happens when the "winners" get to seed their information too freely -- evolution hits a local maximum, stamps out the diversity that might enable it to jump out of the local maxima, then grinds to a halt. Evolution works best with many distinct pools of information that still have a little bit of interchange. In a very meaningful way, diversity is wealth.

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I see four parties in play, but the author describes only two: 1. Foreign governments 2. American government 3. American companies ----Not mentioned in the article---- 4. Foreign citizens 5. American citizens Groups 3, 4, and 5 are more-or-less aligned. Groups 1, 2, and 3 have more conflict than anything else. Since American companies are doing an end-run around control, governments are frustrated. I'd never expect o…

4 and 5 are clearly not aligned. If they were, there wouldn't be the support that there currently is in volume for anti immigration rhetoric and policy.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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There are definitely companies from other countries that do well. For example, Skype, Spotify, Shazam, and Soundcloud are all European.

Don't forget SAP. Clearly, the key to succeeding as a tech firm in Europe is to start your company's name with an S.

Software AG too :).

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post #56

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> American left has for decades been slowly allying themselves against the West. The US, including both parties, has been shifting rightward for decades, so it makes sense that leftists are feeling alienated.

Progressives move forever more to the left, and then accuse the right of "moving right" because we didn't move to your new definition of center fast enough. Excuse me, conservatives have not actually managed to get signed any major conservative initiative in the US in 50 years, because of that line. Our government is bigger than it has ever been: -we haven't privatized schools or gotten vouchers, -we haven't abolishe…

So you list a number of hyper-extremist radical points, many of which even HAVE happened (vouchers and charter schools are everywhere, immigration is open to wealthy foreigners, unions have been devastated and barely exist, gun control barely exists, the welfare state has been cut enormously, by Bill Clinton in fact! because the left has shifted so far to the right the Democrats are accomplishing your radical tasks for you!), all of which almost no other country in the world even considers, most of which were at no time in American history even close to politically viable, and then when you don't get your insane libertarian wish list fulfilled you complain the country is leftist?

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Don't mix up France and Europe. Yes, the EU tends to dance to France's tune, but their attitudes are not universal or even dominant throughout the Europe.

Are you saying that the rest of Europe is less anti-America/anti-Capitalism than France?

At least in Germany there is a lot of suspicion against US companies in particular since the Snowden documents. Surveillance is a very critical topic in Germany since in the 20th century there were two dictatorial regimes on German terrain that used surveillance methods. One of them only ceased to exist for little more than 25 years.
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