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Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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It sounds like they didn't have a viable business model, so they're starting a new company to get rid of any ties the old had. Maybe there's VC money coming in and this is a requirement to be able to be sold later... Who knows? :)

you mean even more vc, than there was already in the old inc.?

Apparently not. I stand corrected! :)

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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I don't mean to belittle the severity of the bug you encountered -- but the root-cause of your problem was a lack of a backup. A large number of issues, some of them software bugs, many of them not, could lead to data loss. It that vein, too, your RAID-5 system is/was a disaster waiting to happen, especially when you don't have a backup: http://www.zdnet.com/article/raidfail-dont-use-raid-5-on-sma...

Do you back up the unencrypted data though? Regardless of the viability of the raid 5 system, the raid 5 wasn't what failed. It was the encryption. It wouldn't have even been possible to backup the encrypted data without getting all my family members passwords too.

If you're backing up encrypted data, then yes, you need to (facilitate that your family) back up the keys to that data as well. Obviously not in the same place, as that negates the purpose of the encryption.

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Let me tell you an anecdote about Owncloud. Once upon a time, I hosted an Owncloud instance for my family. I had a raid 5 system setup on an old Xserve with around 10 TB of usable space. I was really into learning about encryption at the time, so I figured it would be cool to encrypt all my families files on the server. I made sure that all my family members were properly educated about not forgetting their password,…

Replying to my own comment, because I'm out of the edit time-range and this kind of blew up.

If I had to point the discussion of this comment, I'd point it away from what I did wrong personally (I know I f*cked up in probably more than one way).

What I learned from this is that there are no situations in which I would personally host a file server of this feature level and control over my documents. I think "all in one" (dropbox/backup/encryption/sharing/file storage) personal solutions like Owncloud try to do too much, and end up with some seriously rough edges that can turn off very large portions of their user base.

I guess the question I raise is, given my experience "can you prove to me that I can absolutely trust you with all my data"?

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Indeed I've been waiting for something like Owncloud for Django or Flask or something Pythonesque for a while. I'd join in if there were a better Pythonista to start it than myself.

I actually wish that Owncloud would focus on file syncing and not on apps. Their app API feels like the wrong level of abstraction, more like you're building wordpress plugins than actual apps. I appreciate that it makes it easy for devs to get started, but can result in some terrible security holes and messy APIs. Something like Sandstorm is a much better way to separate apps and content and prevent security issues.…

I have been hearing good things about SyncThing, though it lacks an iOS client.

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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> You should have full control over your data. We help you achieve that: a safe home for all your data. Secure, under your control and developed in an open, transparent and trustworthy way. We are Nextcloud. Why are we not in full control over our data with ownCloud anymore? What really changed that made the founder and top contributors leave ownCloud?

That is on everyone's mind, my guess would be that somehow some party within ownCloud was pushing for a bigger separation of features between the FOSS core and the enterprise product. This goes against the founders ideals and they left. Similar to OpenOffice vs LibreOffice, in fact I was personally expecting this to happen and was betting on the name LibreCloud ;)

That would be my guess too. There was an oblique reference to this a while back in the blog post by ownCloud's founder when he announced his departure : http://karlitschek.de/2016/04/big-changes-i-am-leaving-owncl...

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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I have been using Seafile for 2 years now and I'm very happy with it.

I've been mucking around with Owncloud from the beginning and it's always been a pain (non-default configs never work as you expect, updating is a pain, installation is a pain, etc). Tried Syncthing and it was worse (I want central control, SyncTrayzor is obnoxious, doesn't "just work" as it's supposed to via upnp). Never heard of Seafile before but it looks way better, I'm going to give it a shot!

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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I sincerely hope that Nextcould embraces the C4 contract for community building. That would be IMHO the best way to create and grow a community that is truly open and will survive for a long time. http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/

This seems like a great codified set of best practices - but why the prohibition on topic branches? The project SHALL NOT use topic branches for any reason. This is a main tenet of git-flow, and it's hardly uncommon.

The direct explanation is at http://hintjens.com/blog:117#toc47 but you should read the whole post. Or even better the book Social Architecture.

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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I feel sad for ownCloud and Nextcloud. ownCloud has a brand and this fork dilutes it. It will be on everyone's mind especially since the founder has left to create a competitor. For Nextcloud, unless they can explicitly state why this fork exists, it's hard to side with them. What kind of ideological differences are we talking about? Sure, you don't need to throw around personal accusations or finger point but it would help to know what motivated this.

On a related note, this is a risk which many platform companies take. If you opensource your project completely, then anyone can fork it and take it ahead if the forker is a big or well known person. I think we got really lucky with iojs and node.

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