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Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by jwildeboer »

LukasReschke wrote: post #4
distances wrote: post #2

It would be interesting to hear a bit more background for this forking. What does Nextcloud try to achieve that was not possible within the ownCloud project? Was this a clash of personalities as one of the ownCloud founders is among those jumping the ship?

We can't talk about this in detail yet but http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2016/06/nextcloud-is-replacing... has some more information on what's upcoming. If you can understand German a very good in-depth research article is at http://www.golem.de/news/community-fork-und-neues-unternehme... Disclaimer: I am one of those folks that left ownCloud for Nextcloud.

I sincerely hope that Nextcould embraces the C4 contract for community building. That would be IMHO the best way to create and grow a community that is truly open and will survive for a long time.

http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by teekert »

medlazik wrote: post #15

> You should have full control over your data. We help you achieve that: a safe home for all your data. Secure, under your control and developed in an open, transparent and trustworthy way. We are Nextcloud. Why are we not in full control over our data with ownCloud anymore? What really changed that made the founder and top contributors leave ownCloud?

That is on everyone's mind, my guess would be that somehow some party within ownCloud was pushing for a bigger separation of features between the FOSS core and the enterprise product. This goes against the founders ideals and they left. Similar to OpenOffice vs LibreOffice, in fact I was personally expecting this to happen and was betting on the name LibreCloud ;)

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by LukasReschke »

jwildeboer wrote: post #21
LukasReschke wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can't talk about this in detail yet but http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2016/06/nextcloud-is-replacing... has some more information on what's upcoming. If you can understand German a very good in-depth research article is at http://www.golem.de/news/community-fork-und-neues-unternehme... Disclaimer: I am one of those folks that left ownCloud for Nextcloud.

I sincerely hope that Nextcould embraces the C4 contract for community building. That would be IMHO the best way to create and grow a community that is truly open and will survive for a long time. http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/

Fantastic idea! We have started a public discussion about this at https://help.nextcloud.com/t/should-we-adopt-c4/113/1. You're more than welcome to join it as well :-)

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by teekert »

NetStrikeForce wrote: post #10
gpvos wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly translated from http://www.golem.de/news/community-fork-und-neues-unternehme... : Jos Poortvliet, Owncloud's former community manager and now responsible for communication at Nextcloud calls it a "new start". Karlitschek and Poortvliet give as reason for the new founding "structural problems" and some "economic decisions" of the Owncloud company, that caused great dissatisfaction. They do not want to give fur…

It sounds like they didn't have a viable business model, so they're starting a new company to get rid of any ties the old had. Maybe there's VC money coming in and this is a requirement to be able to be sold later... Who knows? :)

It sounds more like a (more) viable (or maybe, more profitable) business model went against the founders/tech-experts ideals and a collision occurred. I think it is very mature of Frank not to speak out on the issue while still in a probably somewhat emotional state about it. I'm curious what comes out when the dust settles, a statement from people left at ownCloud would be very nice and appropriate...

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by gstuartj »

embik wrote: post #17
phreeza wrote: post #12

I have been using Seafile for 2 years now and I'm very happy with it.

While Seafile seems to work, the developers have been kinda sloppy both with licensing[1] and security[2]. The answers on both issues really make me question their integrity and ability to deliver a secure piece of software. [1] https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/issues/666 [2] https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/issues/350

OwnCloud actually has security issues similar to what you cited in the second link. Their security track record isn't spectacular either.

https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/880-Pwncloud-bad-crypto-in-t...

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by LukasReschke »

gstuartj wrote: post #25
embik wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Seafile seems to work, the developers have been kinda sloppy both with licensing[1] and security[2]. The answers on both issues really make me question their integrity and ability to deliver a secure piece of software. [1] https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/issues/666 [2] https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/issues/350

OwnCloud actually has security issues similar to what you cited in the second link. Their security track record isn't spectacular either. https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/880-Pwncloud-bad-crypto-in-t...

I'd like to point you to https://statuscode.ch/2015/09/ownCloud-security-development-... and make you aware of https://seacloud.cc/group/3/wiki/security-records.md and you should probably consider who reported the last critical vulnerability.

Only because a project is serious about actually publishing vulnerability data does not make it necessarily more insecure (or secure).

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by gstuartj »

LukasReschke wrote: post #26
gstuartj wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OwnCloud actually has security issues similar to what you cited in the second link. Their security track record isn't spectacular either. https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/880-Pwncloud-bad-crypto-in-t...

I'd like to point you to https://statuscode.ch/2015/09/ownCloud-security-development-... and make you aware of https://seacloud.cc/group/3/wiki/security-records.md and you should probably consider who reported the last critical vulnerability. Only because a project is serious about actually publishing vulnerability data does not make it necessarily more insecure (or secure).

I agree. Just pointing out that the specific problem the above poster mentioned as a reason to choose OwnCloud also is similarly true of OwnCloud.

https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/880-Pwncloud-bad-crypto-in-t...

Re: Owncloud has been forked into Nextcloud

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Post by alexggordon »

Let me tell you an anecdote about Owncloud. Once upon a time, I hosted an Owncloud instance for my family. I had a raid 5 system setup on an old Xserve with around 10 TB of usable space. I was really into learning about encryption at the time, so I figured it would be cool to encrypt all my families files on the server. I made sure that all my family members were properly educated about not forgetting their password, and then enabled the Encryption App[0] by following a tutorial. Everything went smoothly for about 6 months until I was updating Owncloud with a minor version upgrade, and then BAM; nobody (myself included) could decrypt any data on the server.

I posted around about it, trying to figure it, ripped apart the source code to the point where I found that manually decrypting the data was resulting in gibberish. All my backups were the encrypted data, so those didn't really help either.

I still don't know what happened to this day, but I've been eternally wary of personal fileservers ever since.

[0] https://owncloud.org/blog/how-owncloud-uses-encryption-to-pr...

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