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Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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Re: Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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The difference between Uber and other subprime lenders, like mortgage companies, is that the recipients can actively become lower credit risks. They can just drive the car. At the rates Uber pays, probably around a full day a month.

So not only is this expanding credit options, it's expanding labor options.

Re: Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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> Xchange, which caters to people who have been rejected by other lenders, isn’t intended to be a moneymaker, said an Uber spokesman.

I'll be interested to see if that can continue in the long term. Consumer finance is an industry with an incredibly high profit margin, probably a lot better than Uber's core business will ever be.

Re: Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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I might give Uber a hard time about some things but I'm failing to see the evil in this. Yes, the leases might seem predatory, but if the target is high risk buyers and the apr is not off by an order of magnitude, seems like they are just enabling their work force.

I could think of a lot worse things than a company giving someone a job and then offering them expensive tools to do it.

Re: Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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The headline claim that drivers are left "shackled" doesn't seem to be supported by the article, which states drivers can leave their lease agreements at any time after the first 30 days, with only two weeks notice, and without harming their credit score.

If you think uber are overcharging for the vehicles, given the terms of the agreement, the risk they are bearing, etc. why not start your own offering which charges less?

Re: Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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Uber may not be making a profit directly on the leases, but it's clearly a way to get more drivers at a lower effective wage.

    In one week in May, Schmitt earned $604 for 28 hours of
    work, she said — a slightly better-than-average week.
    Uber took $160 for the car directly out of her paycheck,
    leaving her with $444.
That works out to about $15/hour after the lease payment, even less if it's not including fuel costs.

Re: Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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post #8

Uber may not be making a profit directly on the leases, but it's clearly a way to get more drivers at a lower effective wage. In one week in May, Schmitt earned $604 for 28 hours of work, she said — a slightly better-than-average week. Uber took $160 for the car directly out of her paycheck, leaving her with $444. That works out to about $15/hour after the lease payment, even less if it's not including fuel costs.

But you can't ignore the value of the lease of the car; it's not like you can only use it to drive for Uber.

Re: Uber’s subprime leases put drivers on road, but leave some shackled

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"“I’d say the cost is greater than the benefit for your average driver,” - Isn't that the point of this scheme, that they target non-average drivers, ie those with low credit scores that would be unable to drive otherwise.

With regards to the figures at the end of the article. If Uber pays for insurance and repairs, it seems not a too prohibitive deal. If not the interest rates are well above 20%. Seems pretty sweet (for Uber).

But then again, a market rate of 20% for those without credit score isn't much worse that a credit card rate. And the LA-example comes through well above minimum wage.

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