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How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

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Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

#52

The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

I have lived all over the country, there is nothing special about people in the bay area.

You may think you are special, I assure you you are not.

Sort of like companies claiming to only hire "the top 3%".

The rest of your comment shows why the area as a whole is often kind of stupid.

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

#53

The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

> The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. Come down back to earth. Putting your post into the context of neuroscience, Einstein's brain consisted of much smarter (or "just better" and "harder working") neurons than can be found in all other brains! Or maybe Einstein's brilliance was an emergent property of how they are working together in their network? You should tak…

just like the “best and the brightest” who brainstormed the Vietnam war

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

Really appreciate the note on public transportation. Limited housing gets a lot of the press currently but other infrastructure including public transportation is pretty overwhelmed currently as well. The traffic is already the second worst in the nation [1], and existing major public transportation like bart[2] and caltrain[3] are also overloaded. It also seems like it would be a lot easier to fix as the current sys…

The Bay Area does not have the 2nd worst traffic - off the top of my head, NYC, LA, and DC are often ranked higher in most articles on worst traffic, and from experience, I at least know that NYC and DC have it far worse.

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

"What do you mean 'we', white man?" The problem is there's no solidarity with the newcomers, and a strong desire by incumbents to keep the place the same and not turn it into skyscraper-filled Guangzhou. For a lot of people not building housing is an important priority in their life that they will fight for. Not to mention the question of money. You might equally ask why the tech industry feels the need to be stuck s…

"... a strong desire by incumbents to keep the place the same and not turn it into skyscraper-filled Guangzhou. For a lot of people not building housing is an important priority in their life that they will fight for."

Which is totally reasonable.

You or I may not like it, or disagree with it, or work against that idea, but it's incorrect to claim that incumbent property owners (anywhere) protecting their perceived value in the status quo is somehow wrong or morally bankrupt or misinformed or illiberal.

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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post #52

The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

I have lived all over the country, there is nothing special about people in the bay area. You may think you are special, I assure you you are not. Sort of like companies claiming to only hire "the top 3%". The rest of your comment shows why the area as a whole is often kind of stupid.

I've lived in a dozen cities all over the world and there is something special about the people in the Bay Area.

This is the area where the Gold Rush happened. It was an entrepot for valuable commodities. It still has that dynamic to this day. People come from all over to extract as many resources as possible, sell them and run off to somewhere else not caring about the externalities their opportunistic behavior creates. The political landscape here is mostly about pandering to special interests and never really solving social problems. Whoever panders best uses their constituent base to get elected into state and federal government positions leaving behind the dumpster fire that is the Bay Area.

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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post #52

The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

I have lived all over the country, there is nothing special about people in the bay area. You may think you are special, I assure you you are not. Sort of like companies claiming to only hire "the top 3%". The rest of your comment shows why the area as a whole is often kind of stupid.

the most special thing about the bay is its the best place for a software engineer to find a job in the entire country, and maybe the best density of highest paid software jobs in the world

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire concept of low income housing is a scam to keep market rate prices high. Build enough market rate housing that the price falls to what low income people can afford and you don't need any low income housing. If the government spent the money it spends subsidizing rents on subsidizing construction then the problem would be solved.

" If the government spent the money it spends subsidizing rents on subsidizing construction then the problem would be solved. " What makes you think they don't? In fact, wasn't that the problem in 2008?

2008 was because of incredibly dangerous mortgages being handed out due to a mix of deregulation and the government still guaranteeing corporate profits (bailouts or otherwise) so the mortgage lenders involved didn't need to actually accept the risks. It was at the point where a bank would write you a mortgage on practically anything for any amount because they were effectively free money with no risk to the lender.

That environment did artificially inflate the growth of urban sprawl McMansions above any working class persons paygrade, but it was nowhere close to direct intentional housing subsidy beyond trying to achieve some pipe dream of families on 30k combined income affording a 5k square foot house.

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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post #32

The bay area. The best, brightest, smartest, pedigreed, hardest working most motivated people on earth. And we cant solve the simplest problems in the Maslow's hierarchy. American Indians solved the housing problems with Teepees and Wigwams - so much for being "smart." There was an article recently where a google employee was living in a 24 ft truck in the google parking lot. This Bay Area mess is a self inflicted jo…

Is a teepee or wigwam really so much nicer than a 24 ft truck?

It might be a tad bit difficult to build a proper tipi (Lakota: thípi) in the bay area, and some damn fool would set the entrance up in the wrong direction anyway.

Re: How Much Housing Will Be Built?

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post #55
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What do you mean 'we', white man?" The problem is there's no solidarity with the newcomers, and a strong desire by incumbents to keep the place the same and not turn it into skyscraper-filled Guangzhou. For a lot of people not building housing is an important priority in their life that they will fight for. Not to mention the question of money. You might equally ask why the tech industry feels the need to be stuck s…

"... a strong desire by incumbents to keep the place the same and not turn it into skyscraper-filled Guangzhou. For a lot of people not building housing is an important priority in their life that they will fight for." Which is totally reasonable . You or I may not like it, or disagree with it, or work against that idea, but it's incorrect to claim that incumbent property owners (anywhere) protecting their perceived…

Sorry, it's morally bankrupt. Four middle class families spend more on housing than most Bay Area single-family homeowners. If it were legal for those families to live in a four-plex, they'd outbid wealthy families for that land. The wealthy pay cheaper prices by using the law to prevent people with less money from bidding against them. The wealthy can't actually afford the idyllic single-family neighborhoods they claim the right to without economic segregation laws.
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