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Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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I have been eyeing Xiaomi for some time and even bought some of their products. And I was not disappointed. Something tells me that it's going to be the next Samsung.

I did buy two Xiaomi phones for members of my family. They are really good for the price when compared to more mainstream brands. They also have strong community support and both models I tried have unofficial Cyanogenmod firmware. To be honest though other than the possible "spying" from the Chinese ROMs, Xiaomi's MIUI is beautiful, well thought, and gets updated every week.

Given that all phones are manufactured in China, I would say that ship has already sailed. But I am an equal opportunity guy - if NSA is spying on me it is only fair to let the Chinese in too :)

More seriously, since these phones are often bought from "gray market" vendors, I am more worried about cybercriminals planting malware in them when they are imported:

http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/07/security-firm-finds-pre-in...

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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So, Xiaomi is getting the last pieces it needs to move into European markets. If it comes here (which has begun already), it has to play the patent game. Expect a $60+ markup on high end phones for that (industry sources).

(old source: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/400-smartphone-pay-120-p...)

Now they just need to solve their cash flow issues to fuel this growth…

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did buy two Xiaomi phones for members of my family. They are really good for the price when compared to more mainstream brands. They also have strong community support and both models I tried have unofficial Cyanogenmod firmware. To be honest though other than the possible "spying" from the Chinese ROMs, Xiaomi's MIUI is beautiful, well thought, and gets updated every week.

Given that all phones are manufactured in China, I would say that ship has already sailed. But I am an equal opportunity guy - if NSA is spying on me it is only fair to let the Chinese in too :) More seriously, since these phones are often bought from "gray market" vendors, I am more worried about cybercriminals planting malware in them when they are imported: http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/07/security-firm-finds-pre…

This article says that xiaomi has started shipping phones with locked bootloaders for this reason: http://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-locks-bootloaders-unloc...

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Would this break the New World Order?

This is really interesting, maybe this will set a precedent for the creation of tech companies in the developing world. The Developed World have a clear plan: they will own all the "intellectual property" and use the cheap work in developing countries. It is not a problem if the same company produces all brands of printers. If it starts to sell a print itself, it will be sued to death.

The world is completely ordered: high value jobs for the rich, low value for the poor. We don't need brute force imperialism anymore.

If Xiaomi builds a rift in this structure, it may pave a way for other companies/countries around the world.

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It is one way to equip itself with patents for International Market. It is also worth mentioning Xiaomi, should they decide to enter US market, will cost a little more due to 4G licensing cost. And Microsoft will get Office into the hands of million Xiaomi users.

Phone manufacturers have to pay 4G licensing?

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Would this break the New World Order? This is really interesting, maybe this will set a precedent for the creation of tech companies in the developing world. The Developed World have a clear plan: they will own all the "intellectual property" and use the cheap work in developing countries. It is not a problem if the same company produces all brands of printers. If it starts to sell a print itself, it will be sued to…

As a resident of developing world, this is depressing.

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I think in 2-4 years, xiaomi will be a market leader. I believe this for three reasons: 1. the Chineese government got their backs. (e.g. foreign competitors have been forced to agree to not sue these guys to get their mergers approved) 2. they make long term strategic decisions. xiaomi is owned by the employees and don't have any short-sighted shareholders to please 3. their engineering and manufacturing teams have…

No they will not.

1. Chinese Gov has Huawei's back, not Xiaomi.

2. Their decision to make their OS to show crazy amount of ads is really short sighted.

3. They are falling dangerously behind Huawei in both sales and quality of product.

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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post #25

Would this break the New World Order? This is really interesting, maybe this will set a precedent for the creation of tech companies in the developing world. The Developed World have a clear plan: they will own all the "intellectual property" and use the cheap work in developing countries. It is not a problem if the same company produces all brands of printers. If it starts to sell a print itself, it will be sued to…

Wait, how is this worse than developing country steals IP for domestic market, can't sell abroad in countries where IP matters? China can and does appropriate IP as needed, this is basically xiaomi's modus operandi. It stops working when developing country company wants to make money in developed market where IP is owned, which I guess is what they want with the patent portfolio.

China in general has said "we don't care" about IP rights, it is only changing now because (a) they are beginning to have their own IP to protect, (b) it is a race to the bottom between local companies when NO IP is protected, and (c) you will get sued to death on products sold in developed markets that are questionable in IP usage.

High value jobs for the rich, low value jobs for the poor. Sounds like China, the USA, and the rest of the world. Do not treat China as one homogenous pile of poor workers.

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