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World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

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Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

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post #32

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Really? The Cross rail project in London cost only 2bn more than the Swiss project but does exactly that, create an entirely new line under the whole of London, which is ridiculously hard to dig under (or so I've heard). Why the hell does it cost $50bn for you?

Cross-rail runs mostly on existing lines. Only 13 miles of the 85 total are new tunnels, so cost per mile is still almost a billion dollars. (Being a bit unfair here, because the tunnelling cost is probably less than half the cost - the other half being rebuilding half a dozen massive underground train stations while keeping them operational.)

Where did you read that? The project site says they have created 26 miles of new tunnels, also wider ones than ever before (6.2m). As well as 10 new stations. And all of this is slap bang in the middle of Europe's biggest city, which is pretty damn poorly laid out and not exactly conducive to huge scale construction projects.

Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

#52

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There is a bit on wikipedia[1] (more in the german version). The project wasn't with out Problems but because of such strict planning they could be solved. For example one of the TBM's got stuck for months, another issues such as sub contractors delivering fraudulent materials also had to be dealt with. [2] Although the Swiss part went well there are issues with the connection in Germany and Italy. Some projects in I…

It's amazing how hot it is in some places underground, up to 44C. Wow.

That's just the Earth's internal heater with a nice insulating blanket on top of it.

Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

#53
post #23

> The completed tunnel travels up to 2.3 km below the surface of the mountains above and through rock that reaches temperatures of 46C. Is this solely because of the pressure or is there something else (say water?)? Also, I think they forgot degrees (°).

Radioactive decay.

Geothermal heat, more likely, or did I miss something?

Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

#54
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cross-rail runs mostly on existing lines. Only 13 miles of the 85 total are new tunnels, so cost per mile is still almost a billion dollars. (Being a bit unfair here, because the tunnelling cost is probably less than half the cost - the other half being rebuilding half a dozen massive underground train stations while keeping them operational.)

Where did you read that? The project site says they have created 26 miles of new tunnels, also wider ones than ever before (6.2m). As well as 10 new stations. And all of this is slap bang in the middle of Europe's biggest city, which is pretty damn poorly laid out and not exactly conducive to huge scale construction projects.

Wikipedia says: "The project's main feature is 21 km (13 mi) of new twin tunnels."

So that 26 miles counts the tracks both ways. Well, it's not a short way, 42 km is a marathon.

Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

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post #38

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And, more often than not, these requirement changes are used as excuses for extending the deadline so that project ends up being done "on time". I've worked in management on multi-year waterfall projects and this is how this game is played.

It would be fun to see an "agile" tunnel project. "This rock is too solid to drill through with our machines!" – "Ok, for now let's just drill around it and make it an underground rollercoaster instead of a railway, we can get back to the original design later!"

That's not agile, that's a pivot :)

Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

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There is a bit on wikipedia[1] (more in the german version). The project wasn't with out Problems but because of such strict planning they could be solved. For example one of the TBM's got stuck for months, another issues such as sub contractors delivering fraudulent materials also had to be dealt with. [2] Although the Swiss part went well there are issues with the connection in Germany and Italy. Some projects in I…

It's amazing how hot it is in some places underground, up to 44C. Wow.

At least the workers had air conditioning: http://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/2016/gotthard-system/

Security of the workers was strictly controlled. Working temperature for example was not allowed to exceed 28°C, which was achieved through cooling installations.

Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

#57
post #18

"Nine workers died during the work." Although on-time or early and within budget, it is still a dangerous job to do. That is 0.346% of the total workforce (2600).

Comparison with other tunnels: http://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/2016/gotthard-system/imgs...

And a German article about the nine people who died: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/die-toten-arbei...

Re: World's longest and deepest rail tunnel to open in Switzerland

#58

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Radioactive decay.

Geothermal heat, more likely, or did I miss something?

Geothermal heat is due to radioactive decay in the earth's core, so you're technically both correct.
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