The one thing I've not seen mentioned yet in the Sci-Hub discussions is that the national level academic ISPs seem to have put a very effective domain and IP address block on SciHub. I've tested this both from UK and Scandinavian university networks I have access to, and none of the SciHub domains nor the direct IPs are accessible. Can anyone in the US or rest of Europe with university access test this? It's certainl…
Is this block eduroam wide or *.ac.uk wide?
Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually there's incredible pressure on academics to publish as much as they can, in journals with as much prestige as possible. There may not be actual guns involved, but funding and research opportunities are very much on the line. Which raises the question: who are the pirates here? In what sense is a corporation holding an entire professional community to ransom while adding no real value not being piratical? In…
> But academic publishing seems straightforward extortion of value from universities and governments It seems universities and governments find value in the service provided by publishers. If they wanted, they could stop making funding and research opportunities dependent on how the results are published, right? I don't see how publishers have much leverage here, let alone a position where they can exert extorsion.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually there's incredible pressure on academics to publish as much as they can, in journals with as much prestige as possible. There may not be actual guns involved, but funding and research opportunities are very much on the line. Which raises the question: who are the pirates here? In what sense is a corporation holding an entire professional community to ransom while adding no real value not being piratical? In…
> But academic publishing seems straightforward extortion of value from universities and governments It seems universities and governments find value in the service provided by publishers. If they wanted, they could stop making funding and research opportunities dependent on how the results are published, right? I don't see how publishers have much leverage here, let alone a position where they can exert extorsion.
They also can't set up a competing independent paper service because there's no way New Journal X can compete with the brand recognition of Nature or Phys Rev D.
The publishers have a de facto monopoly on the prominent brands. That's why it's extortion, and not a service. The only service provided by the publishers is access to the goodwill associated with the brand.
What universities can do - and are starting to do - is to set up alternative publishing systems that will start to bypass those brands. Arxiv is the most famous examples, but increasingly communities of academics - not universities - are creating their own online enclaves, with the optional prospect of live debate about papers instead of the current somewhat dysfunctional formal peer review system.
Eventually the goodwill for many disciplines will move to those online enclaves, and that's when publishers will lose their leverage.
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#114> In 2015, the company earned $1.1 billion in profits on $2.9 billion in revenue... How in the world does a company like Elsevier accrue $1.8 billion in expenses? Apple's 2015 worldwide operating expenses were $30 billion [0], or about 17 times higher. Yet Apple's costs for manufacturing, retail, sales, payroll, etc. ought to be hundreds or thousands of times greater than Elsevier's; Apple has 115,000 employees [1],…
> What do they spend all that money on? Here is the most recent annual of their parent company: http://www.relx.com/investorcentre/reports%202007/Documents/... I don't have the time nor knowledge to give a summary on this but it's quite interesting - e.g. page 8 - 50% of their income are subscriptions and 80% of these are electronic. The other 50% are "transactional" I guess that means fees. I can't read investor rep…
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Install a torrent client, download the torrents, keep seeding?
Is it safe to do? I mean on the legal side.
The question is whether you want to engage in this particular act of civil disobedience and bear the risks or not.
The risks can also be reduced by living in the right jurisdiction or obscuring your identity, e.g. by renting a torrent seedbox with bitcoins.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But academic publishing seems straightforward extortion of value from universities and governments It seems universities and governments find value in the service provided by publishers. If they wanted, they could stop making funding and research opportunities dependent on how the results are published, right? I don't see how publishers have much leverage here, let alone a position where they can exert extorsion.
No, universities can't do this. They can't compete with publishers directly because publishers can decide to cut off the supply of journals to libraries. They also can't set up a competing independent paper service because there's no way New Journal X can compete with the brand recognition of Nature or Phys Rev D. The publishers have a de facto monopoly on the prominent brands. That's why it's extortion, and not a se…
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#118One thing that worries me with Sci-Hub is that even though they put all of their PDFs on the torrent, it's too much to mirror by one individual. It would be nice if they implemented some scoring system that would help others mirror the most popular papers or if they worked like thepiratebay - just associating names to magnet links. It would be much easier to help work around the single point of failure then. Right no…
Do you have a link for the torrents? I couldn't see anything on the main sci-hub site.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why, though? It's a waste of bandwidth to force someone to accept a bunch of information they don't need and didn't ask for.
I'd feel pity if you wasn't trying to get something for free... Heaven forbid you help propagate lesser used stuff as payment for getting access to the few papers that you feel entitled to get for free...
I'd more than likely just delete the unusable stuff after setting aside what I actually needed.
So, yeah, waste of bandwidth to send in the first place.