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Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by falcolas »

SyneRyder wrote: post #83
guiambros wrote: post #64

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> ... but I moved on when development stagnated... ST3 dev releases[1]: 2016: 14 versions 2015: 25 versions 2014: 4 versions 2013: 40 versions While pace really slowed down in 2014, there was at least occasional updates every few months fixing major issues. I know people love to complain about ST's " slow development ", but really don't understand where the perception comes from. For me the experience has been the op…

I think the perception comes from people who aren't on the Dev release channel. When I saw you list 14 releases in 2016 alone (!?), I wondered where on earth you made up that number... until I realized that's the Dev channel. On the Stable channel, the releases have been: 2016: 2 versions 2015: 2 versions (one just a patch for the other) 2014: 1 version 2013: 12 versions https://www.sublimetext.com/3

Question: How frequent would you want the releases to be, considering that this is more-or-less a stable and finished project?

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by SyneRyder »

falcolas wrote: post #121
SyneRyder wrote: post #83

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I think the perception comes from people who aren't on the Dev release channel. When I saw you list 14 releases in 2016 alone (!?), I wondered where on earth you made up that number... until I realized that's the Dev channel. On the Stable channel, the releases have been: 2016: 2 versions 2015: 2 versions (one just a patch for the other) 2014: 1 version 2013: 12 versions https://www.sublimetext.com/3

Question: How frequent would you want the releases to be, considering that this is more-or-less a stable and finished project?

I'm mostly okay with the occasional releases. Once a year feels a little infrequent though? One of the IDEs I use has a quarterly bugfix release schedule.

To be honest, I'm less concerned about new features, and more that there will be paid upgrades so the developers keep maintaining the software. I'd probably expect a new major version every 2 or 3 years, with a discounted upgrade price... that would still only work out to $10-$20/year for Sublime Text, which is crazy cheap. I already budget about $100/year just for annual Parallels Desktop upgrades.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by dang »

SquareWheel wrote: post #105
dang wrote: post #101

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Ok, we'll use your phrase as the title. If someone suggests a better (more accurate and neutral) title, we can change it again. (Though that may have to wait overnight...)

The current title ("Sublime Text 3 is still in beta") sounds like an attack to me, implying slow development. I'd suggest "Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build (Feb 2016)", or something like that. More wordy, but more accurate.

Ok.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by mevile »

FezVrasta wrote: post #103
mevile wrote: post #57

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Atom and VS Code use the same basic underlying technology and are JavaScript under the hood. With both you can actually open up a chrome like web inspector to help you write and debug plugins. These editors are Open Source and funded by companies whose main source of income is not the editor, but have money (GitHub and Microsoft). Sublime Text is an editor that brought a lot of new ideas that many editors now adopt (…

Actually multi cursor has been available in Gedit for several years... I really doubt that Sublime Text invented it.

I've used gedit, but I'm not familiar with multi-cursor implementation in it. I suppose I've always seen the multi-cursor implementation in Sublime Text as top-notch with other editors struggling to implement anything like it. Intellij finally has pretty decent multi-cursor support but it's still a little bit behind ST's. For example, in IntelliJ the ease of applying multiple cursors seems to involve more work than in ST. In VS Code multiple cursors isn't nearly well implemented as ST or even IntelliJ.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by throwaway6436 »

dvirsky wrote: post #98
throwaway6436 wrote: post #93

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Man, the FUD in this thread. Shill much? Is freemium the new EEE? How do you expect the man to make money?

Jetbrains seem to be making quite a lot of money from the IDEA series. Shill, really? I have nothing against Sublime charging money, the only reason I'm not buying it is that it's not a good enough editor (for me!). What I'm saying is that if he opens at least some of Sublime it might help make it a better editor and advance faster with the help of a community. It certainly beats Sublime becoming irrelevant and dying…

ST becoming open-source is one thing, making it freemium another. I was talking about the latter.

Does freemium really work at all for anyone? Gets you new users quickly but then 1 in 10,000 converts. This works for established companies as they can weather the freeloaders with piles of cash from other parts of the business. Or in the case of VC-backed companies, from the money fountain (better not ask Spotify about that though).

I just can't see how a small company depending on a single product would benefit from this model.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by daveroberts »

threatofrain wrote: post #116
tiplus wrote: post #78

I feel that the comments here are too negative, which ST2/3 does not deserve. ST is still a supreme editor and using/paying for ST is not a bad thing. Wasn't it ST which introduced the cool look&feel and features which Atom and VSCode now adopted? I love the ST ctrl+d select (even if it existed before). PLUS: ST still has a super quick loading time which makes it a great addition to emacs/vi in some use cases.

As a quibble, I would say that Visual Studio Code is unique in its own right, and not for any of its code editing features (which is comparatively lacking). It's a simple editor with a killer code insight feature. I have a feeling other editors will have difficulty replicating this feature.

What is the "code insight" feature? Is it an intellisense feature of VSCode?

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by PeterisP »

spoiler wrote: post #45
gedy wrote: post #35

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Atom does not handle large files well at all compared to ST. I like Atom, but get very serious hangs with it on large files.

How large are you talking? I had similar issues early on with Atom, but I don't have them anymore (same project). Also, it would only hang for about a second when initially opening the file, later on it would work smoothly.

I'm using ST because I want to use the same editor for my code and data, and I rather frequently get 100mb-1gb textual data files, logs, tabular data in plaintext or json, etc - not big enough to require special tools to process (I mean, they're a small fraction of my RAM), so a text editor should allow to eyeball them and do some basic processing - edit a particular line, do interactive global regexp replacements to e.g. adjust the columns in a million-line file, etc.

I haven't tried Atom, but the Hydrogen plugin looks very interesting. How does it react to, say, being asked to do syntax highlight on a 100mb json?

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by onion2k »

brbsix wrote: post #104
onion2k wrote: post #13

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I understand you're joking, but this is important. It's $70. I know that's a lot to some people, but if you're selling your time as a developer it's probably quite a lot less than 1/2 a day at your usual rate. For a tool that will save you many days a year (and increase your bottomline as much), that's really cheap. If you were a designer and needed Adobe's tools you'd be paying much every month. If you're using Subl…

We don't know that he's a professional developer. He could be a student (or in a million other situations). I know that when I was 12 years old trying to learn C on my own, spending $70 on an editor would have been unthinkable.

Absolutely, but the answer to that problem shouldn't really be to use it unlicensed, even if it's 'only' nagware rather than a trial. There are many free alternatives that do the same job very well.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by bsimpson »

shurcooL wrote: post #33
ashworth wrote: post #30

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Genuine question: What do Atom and Visual Studio Code offer that Sublime Text doesn't? I have tried both within the last year and wasn't able to find any significant advantages (except for VS Code's excellent TypeScript experience), but they both ran slower and used more memory. Perhaps I should have used Nuclide? (Not asking about Webstorm because I've used the IntelliJ family of IDEs and understand their advantages…

As a ST3 user, both Atom and VSC have superior git integration built in, no plugins needed. That's really the only/main thing I miss.

Atom has git integration built-in? I couldn't find it when I tried it a few months ago (and I was shocked, considering it's sponsored by GitHub).
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