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The Curse of the Ramones

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Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by ams6110 »

alrs wrote: post #6

I've told a variation of this story to a ton of people, to specifically address the confinement of success. They had the choice of sticking with the same colleagues they'd worked with (and increasingly hated) for 20 years, or being record store employees. Imagine if your livelihood was tied to working only with a few other people, and one of them had a tendency to beat you up, one was a heroin addict, and the other w…

I don't know -- after a year or two with regular gigs at CBGB they could all have very likely easily found work with (or started) other bands. They (at least Johnny and Joey) chose to stay together because the band was more important to them than their personal feelings towards one another, not because they had no other viable options.

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by bogomipz »

gluelogic wrote: post #8
bogomipz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, Tommy left early on as the article mentions and had a decent career as an engineer doing studio work, Dee Dee left in the mid-80s and pursued a solo career. The only constants were Johnny and Joey. There were other Ramones that article doesn't mention Elvis, CJ and Richie.

The article does mention Marky Ramone a number of times

I meant Richie, I updated my comment.

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by alrs »

bogomipz wrote: post #7
alrs wrote: post #6

I've told a variation of this story to a ton of people, to specifically address the confinement of success. They had the choice of sticking with the same colleagues they'd worked with (and increasingly hated) for 20 years, or being record store employees. Imagine if your livelihood was tied to working only with a few other people, and one of them had a tendency to beat you up, one was a heroin addict, and the other w…

Not really, Tommy left early on as the article mentions and had a decent career as an engineer doing studio work, Dee Dee left in the mid-80s and pursued a solo career. The only constants were Johnny and Joey. There were other Ramones that article doesn't mention Elvis, CJ and Richie.

Dee Dee pursued a solo career and failed. He had to keep writing Ramones songs, only without collecting any of the touring revenue.

IIRC, he was often somewhat in "debt" to the band, as they'd bail him out of jail with the requirement that he would provide songs for the next album, even though he was no longer a full member.

Career-wise, CBGB was a ticket to nothing. I've never bought a solo album by anyone who was in Blondie, Talking Heads, or the Ramones, but I do remember seeing that stuff in the used discount bins, unwanted.

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by dang »

The documentary "End of the Century" covers the same territory (and a lot more). It's a good documentary, but oh so sad. It has wonderful clips of Joe Strummer talking about how great the Ramones were.

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

To whomever designed that website: thanks a ton. It consumed 100% cpu, caused janky scrolling, and crashed Safari on my iPhone, repeatedly. The rest of the time that stupid top bar got in the way and covered 1/3 of the screen, ruining what could have been a delightful wake up read.

I sincerely hope Phil Spector pays you a visit once he gets out of jail and consumes 100% of your miserable existence.

Sorry for ranting, but dear lord there should be laws against that.

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by tdubhro1 »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #15

To whomever designed that website: thanks a ton. It consumed 100% cpu, caused janky scrolling, and crashed Safari on my iPhone, repeatedly. The rest of the time that stupid top bar got in the way and covered 1/3 of the screen, ruining what could have been a delightful wake up read. I sincerely hope Phil Spector pays you a visit once he gets out of jail and consumes 100% of your miserable existence. Sorry for ranting,…

I never click on a rollingstone link since about 2 years ago when opening the site on my android handset in the UK resulted in a malware popup that managed to charge something to my phone bill via payforit.

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by jomamaxx »

They were never that good.

They are a 'meme' band.

Some sideshow 'hipster' movement found them cool.

They are a brand.

One or two albums, great. Interesting. Maybe.

They don't make any more decent music so it's natural to break up if there is no reason to exist.

Unless they can milk their fans for a generation and let them relive a few moments ...

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by drcongo »

tdubhro1 wrote: post #17
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #15

To whomever designed that website: thanks a ton. It consumed 100% cpu, caused janky scrolling, and crashed Safari on my iPhone, repeatedly. The rest of the time that stupid top bar got in the way and covered 1/3 of the screen, ruining what could have been a delightful wake up read. I sincerely hope Phil Spector pays you a visit once he gets out of jail and consumes 100% of your miserable existence. Sorry for ranting,…

I never click on a rollingstone link since about 2 years ago when opening the site on my android handset in the UK resulted in a malware popup that managed to charge something to my phone bill via payforit.

And you blame them for that, not Android or Payforit?

Re: The Curse of the Ramones

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Post by amouat »

alrs wrote: post #13
bogomipz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, Tommy left early on as the article mentions and had a decent career as an engineer doing studio work, Dee Dee left in the mid-80s and pursued a solo career. The only constants were Johnny and Joey. There were other Ramones that article doesn't mention Elvis, CJ and Richie.

Dee Dee pursued a solo career and failed. He had to keep writing Ramones songs, only without collecting any of the touring revenue. IIRC, he was often somewhat in "debt" to the band, as they'd bail him out of jail with the requirement that he would provide songs for the next album, even though he was no longer a full member. Career-wise, CBGB was a ticket to nothing. I've never bought a solo album by anyone who was i…

Ha, I think David Byrne has had a pretty successful career by any standard!
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