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Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by LionessLover »

cleeus wrote: post #51

I've never used any of those new editors (ST, Atom, VS Code, ...). Can anyone compare them to the more classic ultraedit? Or said differently: Why would I chose ST3 over one of the classic editors?

If it was just the editing I could use any coding editor and be fine.

The reason I ended up paying the subscription for WebStorm (after also trying out Atom) was

a) The inspections

b) The type support.

To explain b), I annotate my JS code with and JSDoc and Closure inline-comment type annotations. WebStorm uses that to check if the types match - I get much of the TypeSript functionality for free without using TypeSript. I also used @typedef (JSDoc tag) heavily to define my own types. And auto-completion suggestions base don the types.

I used to be okay without types, but after having a more complex project (note: large !== complex, simple UI stuff that I had done previously was a much larger code base and I never felt I needed the help of "static types") I found it was good to use them.

Why not Atom: It looked great and probably is a great editor, but it didn't give me even close to the functionality of WebStorm. Also, when I had a problem the only response I got was "we are waiting for your pull request", meaning "fix it yourself". Why I understand that unpaid people are not eager fixing my problems I have enough of work without having to contribute to each of the products I'm using - so I prefer paying the people at JetBrains to take my bug reports and fix them (which they do - and I've filed a lot of reports before the "2016" release, so much that they gave me two years worth of subscription for free for being a good beta-tester).

Another advantage of the IntelliJ products is that it's basically the same IDE-platform for all kinds of languages. I'm learning Scala now (the Coursera course on Scala by Scala's author is back!) - another IntelliJ IDE (and that one even is free, the free Java IDE plus Scala plugin), for example.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by dvirsky »

ensiferum wrote: post #59
dvirsky wrote: post #54

Maybe I'm biased but it seems like Sublime lost its huge margin in the "editor race". Occasionally I try to use Sublime, but the plugins are always lacking. For my needs, VSCode is already better with better plugins (C, Go, Python), and I'm more productive with it although it lacks some features in the editor itself. And it doesn't feel slower even though it's written in JS. Plus it's open source. I hope the Sublime…

Does VSCode have a plugin for C++ code completion yet? There are several for ST.

It has an excellent one developed by MS people, and a few indie ones, which I used up until a couple of weeks ago, when the MS plugin started working properly on Linux. You'll need to install the dotnet cli stuff, but they provide official packages for Linux as well, so it wasn't an issue.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by dvirsky »

tiplus wrote: post #69
dvirsky wrote: post #54

Maybe I'm biased but it seems like Sublime lost its huge margin in the "editor race". Occasionally I try to use Sublime, but the plugins are always lacking. For my needs, VSCode is already better with better plugins (C, Go, Python), and I'm more productive with it although it lacks some features in the editor itself. And it doesn't feel slower even though it's written in JS. Plus it's open source. I hope the Sublime…

Why does VSCode need a 'Pricacy Statement' (Help menu) which explains how Microsoft shares personal data? I get that it was written by MS, but why would I want a code editor that calls home? Or better ask does it send user/system data back to MS? this cfg entry: // Enable usage data and errors to be sent to Microsoft. "telemetry.enableTelemetry": true,

the privacy statement is generic to the visual studio family of products I guess. they state they collect my name but VScode doesn't know my name.

As long as telemetry is what's being collected, and I can disable it (and fork VScode if not), I'm good with it.

EDIT: Also, other editors phone home as well. IntelliJ certainly does, and I'm pretty sure Sublime as well.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by shurcooL »

SquareWheel wrote: post #60

I don't see any updated builds or blog post about this. Is it just because the homepage now links to ST3 instead? Because it's been that way for some time now, and the download label still says it's a beta. Am I missing the real release? Could be a CDN issue?

No, there's nothing new. Someone posted the link to Sublime Text homepage and many people upvoted it when seeing the title, without first verifying the link pointed to an actual release. So it ended up getting a lot of upvotes.

The homepage links to ST3 as the default version to download, as it has for a few weeks/months now, that's not new. ST3 is still described as beta. The last release was on May 12.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by ngrilly »

spectralblu wrote: post #53
DigitalSea wrote: post #22

I think ST3 really missed the boat. I used to love using Sublime Text 2 (occasionally I still do because it is fast), but I moved on when development stagnated and Jon seemingly disappeared off of the face of the planet, stopped responding to support requests and the like. There is no disputing ST is a great editor, but it has fallen behind in the face of Atom, Webstorm and Visual Studio Code (two of which are free).

I disagree. I had tried out Atom for a little bit (after the v1 general release) and more than once I lost my entire workspace. Either through a computer crash, Atom crash, or something else. Maybe I didn't configure something right, maybe I didn't. Quite frankly I don't care, I think that always properly persisting all unsaved work should be a default. Sublime always persisted all of my workspaces and open tabs perf…

I concur: Sublime Text's persistent workspace is really great.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by rplnt »

spectralblu wrote: post #53
DigitalSea wrote: post #22

I think ST3 really missed the boat. I used to love using Sublime Text 2 (occasionally I still do because it is fast), but I moved on when development stagnated and Jon seemingly disappeared off of the face of the planet, stopped responding to support requests and the like. There is no disputing ST is a great editor, but it has fallen behind in the face of Atom, Webstorm and Visual Studio Code (two of which are free).

I disagree. I had tried out Atom for a little bit (after the v1 general release) and more than once I lost my entire workspace. Either through a computer crash, Atom crash, or something else. Maybe I didn't configure something right, maybe I didn't. Quite frankly I don't care, I think that always properly persisting all unsaved work should be a default. Sublime always persisted all of my workspaces and open tabs perf…

This is what I love about sublime as well (I still use ST2). Have lots of tabs open that don't point to any file. It's just a workspace, notepad, ...

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by antaviana »

microtonal wrote: post #25
onion2k wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand you're joking, but this is important. It's $70. I know that's a lot to some people, but if you're selling your time as a developer it's probably quite a lot less than 1/2 a day at your usual rate. For a tool that will save you many days a year (and increase your bottomline as much), that's really cheap. If you were a designer and needed Adobe's tools you'd be paying much every month. If you're using Subl…

While I agree with your general point, not everyone lives in places where 70 USD is 'only' half a day's salary. I think some software products could sell more with regional pricing, if someone could crack reliable non-intrusive verification.

I think that is a bad idea in general to offer regional pricing. In fact by asking the same price you are fostering that people and business in poorer regions have more reasons to be brave and raise their rates accordingly, which helps with equality in the long term.

Actually all the companies that offer regional pricing do that with the hope that their overall revenue will be higher that if they don't. It is a short term decision that does not have anything to do with humanity.

That said, Sublime Text implements regional pricing with nagware. A larger percentage of devs in poorer countries will be in trial mode, happy that they do not have to pay or use a pirate version.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by tiplus »

I feel that the comments here are too negative, which ST2/3 does not deserve. ST is still a supreme editor and using/paying for ST is not a bad thing. Wasn't it ST which introduced the cool look&feel and features which Atom and VSCode now adopted? I love the ST ctrl+d select (even if it existed before).

PLUS: ST still has a super quick loading time which makes it a great addition to emacs/vi in some use cases.

Re: Sublime Text 3 marked as recommended build

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Post by imron »

tomsmeding wrote: post #50
spoiler wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How large are you talking? I had similar issues early on with Atom, but I don't have them anymore (same project). Also, it would only hang for about a second when initially opening the file, later on it would work smoothly.

Many-megabyte, probably; think an assembly dump of your browser, for instance.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Sure, maybe you're not going to have a need to open an assembly dump of your browser very often, but plenty of projects have multi-megabyte text/data files that need to be opened now and then.

One of programs I develop uses a dictionary that when unzipped is ~8Mb. Sometimes I need to open that up in an editor and it's nice not to have to fire up a different editor to do that.

In fact this is one of the first things I do when trying out a new editor - see how well it can handle files > 1Mb in size.

Maybe if you're only working on small projects with small files this isn't such a concern, but there are plenty of people who have legitimate concerns if an editor can't open large files (and 1Mb isn't even large).

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