Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
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Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#2Some part of me wonders if these Russian astroturfers might be behind the recent /pol/ Trump obsession, given that Trump and Putin are on friendly terms with each other.
Edit: before Hillary shills jump on this, her astroturfing campaign on reddit is just as deplorable.
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#3Some part of me wonders if these Russian astroturfers might be behind the recent /pol/ Trump obsession, given that Trump and Putin are on friendly terms with each other. Edit: before Hillary shills jump on this, her astroturfing campaign on reddit is just as deplorable.
>given that Trump and Putin are on friendly terms with each other
which im sure is because putin doesn't think trump is going to win, and he likes trump stirring things up. if trump actually wins, i bet he's going to have a change of heart.
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#4In an effort to be entirely objective:
disagreeing with a person is not trolling, and Russians do not agree with NATO- which makes sense given that NATO was orchestrated specifically against Russia.
I can't help but pity them, it's like having a pit-bull in the corner that nobody loves because it defended them before in a savage way, so they keep putting up gates and fences and pushing it into solitude. I agree that Crimea was not exactly an ideal scenario but I can see both sides of that too. And neither side is as black as they're painted.
Realistically, with the exclusion of Crimea, Russia has done nothing that any other large country hasn't done with regards to borders, the difference is that when a British fighter jet comes close to France's border nobody cares because we're allied. But we crucify them for it.
As a wise man once said. We make peace with our enemies, not our friends.
(The reason I'm talking about this is because of the recent advances of NATO in putting US military installations in Poland to "combat ISIL", and Russians complaining about it has been tagged as trolling somehow.)
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#5Some part of me wonders if these Russian astroturfers might be behind the recent /pol/ Trump obsession, given that Trump and Putin are on friendly terms with each other. Edit: before Hillary shills jump on this, her astroturfing campaign on reddit is just as deplorable.
I strongly also suspect that this might be the case- there are a couple of other motives too: (1) They see Trump as destabilizing or disruptive to the US and its international allies, and (2) they see Trump as ideologically aligned with Putin's own highly nationalistic and oligarchial platform and worldview (Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort has direct close ties to Putin's oligarchy)
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#6In an effort to be entirely objective: disagreeing with a person is not trolling, and Russians do not agree with NATO- which makes sense given that NATO was orchestrated specifically against Russia. I can't help but pity them, it's like having a pit-bull in the corner that nobody loves because it defended them before in a savage way, so they keep putting up gates and fences and pushing it into solitude. I agree that…
> disagreeing with a person is not trolling
The word troll has evolved to encompass any sort of dishonest internet activity that is designed to manipulate the response and attitude of the larger audience, but I agree: the right term would be astroturfing.
> it's like having a pit-bull in the corner that nobody loves because it defended them before in a savage way
That hilariously fails to describe Russia in any way most people would recognize.
> Realistically, with the exclusion of Crimea, Russia has done nothing that any other large country hasn't done with regards to borders
That's a pretty big exclusion, but concerns about its borders and the threat of annexation - as elevated as it is compared to any other country - is not the main concern here.
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#7Some part of me wonders if these Russian astroturfers might be behind the recent /pol/ Trump obsession, given that Trump and Putin are on friendly terms with each other. Edit: before Hillary shills jump on this, her astroturfing campaign on reddit is just as deplorable.
I strongly also suspect that this might be the case- there are a couple of other motives too: (1) They see Trump as destabilizing or disruptive to the US and its international allies, and (2) they see Trump as ideologically aligned with Putin's own highly nationalistic and oligarchial platform and worldview (Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort has direct close ties to Putin's oligarchy)
But it's not as though for example, people in Hillary's team don't have connections to the nomenklatura. So I don't think those connections are especially illustrative of anything extraordinary.
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#8In an effort to be entirely objective: disagreeing with a person is not trolling, and Russians do not agree with NATO- which makes sense given that NATO was orchestrated specifically against Russia. I can't help but pity them, it's like having a pit-bull in the corner that nobody loves because it defended them before in a savage way, so they keep putting up gates and fences and pushing it into solitude. I agree that…
Crimea. Georgia. Transnistria. It's become a pattern for Russia to use military force instead of diplomacy to resolve disputes.
The notion that "Russia has done nothing that any other large country hasn't done" is entirely wrong.
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#9Some part of me wonders if these Russian astroturfers might be behind the recent /pol/ Trump obsession, given that Trump and Putin are on friendly terms with each other. Edit: before Hillary shills jump on this, her astroturfing campaign on reddit is just as deplorable.
>given that Trump and Putin are on friendly terms with each other which im sure is because putin doesn't think trump is going to win, and he likes trump stirring things up. if trump actually wins, i bet he's going to have a change of heart.
No, he likes him because they're both nationalists. Trump's view of the world is similar to his and Putin believes they can cooperate better. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, wants war with Russia.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/9/hillary-clint...
Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation
#10In an effort to be entirely objective: disagreeing with a person is not trolling, and Russians do not agree with NATO- which makes sense given that NATO was orchestrated specifically against Russia. I can't help but pity them, it's like having a pit-bull in the corner that nobody loves because it defended them before in a savage way, so they keep putting up gates and fences and pushing it into solitude. I agree that…
"with the exclusion of Crimea, Russia has done nothing that any other large country hasn't done with regards to borders"
Haha that's an absurd exclusion. You don't get to pick and choose which criteria are valid when judging the behaviour of a government.