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Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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"Meetings are toxic" was in their last book. It's a hyperbolic title, but the content is more subtle. http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch07_Meetings_Are_Toxic.php "Fire workaholics" was a blog post. http://37signals.com/svn/posts/902-fire-the-workaholics The review was defensive, because 37signals prove that many typical management techniques are not necessary for success. This is a status risk for the review author,…

Sorry, but I just absolutely detest this sort of writing, where you make outlandish claims, then fallback to a ridiculously obvious position. It's a bait+switch, and it's used way too often. You don't get any real insight, you just read what you already know. Meetings Are Toxic Don't have meetings For those times when you absolutely must have a meeting (this should be a rare event), stick to these simple rules: And t…

>> And the advice is just ridiculously obvious to anyone with a brain. "Never have a meeting without a clear agenda."

The thing is that in many places it's not obvious. There are a lot of people who spent many years in companies where this wasn't a common practice and they just don't know any better. It's not that these people aren't smart, they've just never seen anything different. Having a 1 hour meeting with a dozen people to solve the most simple problems is just "how things are done".

Let me make a quick analogy.

To a lot of people here, the idea that XP, SCRUM, and other agile development methodologies are a much better way of developing software is "obvious". To many, many people in larger companies it's definitely not obvious. They have decades of experience doing things using waterfall, and most of them have never worked at a place that did anything else. It's just "how things are done".

If you think all of these things are obvious, then this book is likely not for you. For lots of people, this book contains ideas that are very different from what they're accustomed to. That's who will get the most out of this book (or other books of its kind).

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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No doubt. But what the what the OP is trying to do is weasel away from a critique of the book by saying 'Well, it's really mostly about 37 signals. If you don't like it/doesn't work for you, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man'. I imagine you wrote the book with the notion that it is broadly (not universally) applicable, just like most books in the genre. And it's perfectly sensible to review it in those terms…

I do think a lot of our ideas can apply to a very broad spectrum of businesses. I've personally heard from thousands of business owners in just about every industry who've told me many of the ideas we espouse work beautifully for them in their businesses. But, no of course I don't believe any idea applies to everyone.

Thousands? That's one for every working day ten years in a row.

No need to exaggerate to make your point.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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I do think a lot of our ideas can apply to a very broad spectrum of businesses. I've personally heard from thousands of business owners in just about every industry who've told me many of the ideas we espouse work beautifully for them in their businesses. But, no of course I don't believe any idea applies to everyone.

Thousands? That's one for every working day ten years in a row. No need to exaggerate to make your point.

Thousands? That's one for every working day ten years in a row.

Or three days worth of email

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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"I am not sure these guys are real businesspeople." What exactly are "real businesspeople"?

I thought the same. It seems to me that a "business person" is someone who runs a business. A Good "business person" runs a successful business and a bad one runs an unsuccessful one. A lot can be said about the way 37 signals self promotes but its hard to deny their success.

Personally I learned a long time ago that there's no business book that can tell me how to run my business. You read some good, some bad and if you're lucky find a few good pearls of wisdom along the way.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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I have a feeling that author did not even read the book properly: maybe a couple of opening pages and chapter titles.

I read the back cover. That was enough to know it's more of the same. Not for me. "Fire workaholics", "Meetings are toxic", etc etc it's just linkbait hyperbole. I think this review managed to accurately sum up what 37signals puts out.

> I think this review managed to accurately sum up what 37signals puts out.

...Which you can assess by virtue of not having read it. Well done!

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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It's important to realize that this "Rework" book is about the stuff that worked for 37signals and might work for you if you have a similar business. The review points out that this is not always the case from a management perspective and it's not always applicable to other business'.

From the inside flap - "REWORK shows you a better, faster, easier way to succeed in business. Read it and you’ll know why plans are actually harmful, why you don’t need outside investors, and why you’re better off ignoring the competition." Note that the claim is not 'Rework shows you a better, faster, easier way to succeed in a business that is similar to 37 signals. Maybe'.

I think the inner flap pretty much every business book I've ever read has said something similar.

I'm pretty sure the copy writers of business book promotional material have some sort of mad lib system for writing that tripe.

This book will _______ by showing you how ______ changed their business by _______ . All answers to your problems inside!

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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"I am not sure these guys are real businesspeople." What exactly are "real businesspeople"?

Parsed charitably, he means that they aren't serial businesspeople — they ["don't want to", "won't", "can't"] start new independent businesses.

It's a variant of the lifestyle business epithet.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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Isn't ROR free? By that standard, I'm sure the BBC is doing a good job.

ROR is free and so are most of the competitors and there a lot now. The BBC is doing a good job, it's news coverage is certainly one the best and most respected in the world and that's got nothing to do with it being free - people would certainly pay if they had to for it.

British Residents do directly pay for the BBC, and not via normal taxes like the US's PBS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_Uni...

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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I have a feeling this writer has no idea who 37signals is. He's probably realizing right about now that he's stepped on a land mine with exploding 37signals fanboys. Edit: No offense to fans of 37signals (I read svn). This guy is about to get a lesson in how many fans of 37signals there are.

The book's target audience is obviously "business people," so I'd say he really doesn't need to know details about 37signals specifically. The review was wonderfully British -- "What is it about Americans that they think 10 years is a long time?" -- which probably is the main reason behind the criticism. Real business people according to the author are probably those with a degree from LSE.

"What is it about Americans that they think 10 years is a long time?"

What is it about the British that make them assume short term thinking is coming from an American? One of the two authors are Danish, not American. Does working in America for four years make you an American these days?

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