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No, I put 'Coca Cola'... Can you read?

How edgy to you have to be to try and argue about the morality behind slavery. When you prove that animals are self aware and conscious to the level of humans you can start to try and make half of this point but you're taking it way too far with this whole energy molecules thing. What's next, comparing the Holocaust to fish farms?

>What's next, comparing the Holocaust to fish farms?

Way ahead of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights_and_the_Holocaus...

Several writers, including Jewish Nobel Prize laureate Isaac Bashevis Singer, and animal rights groups have drawn a comparison between the treatment of animals and the Holocaust

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Consider - what are we doing now that future generations will look back on and express the same sentiment?

Destroying the planet. You could say that's worse than slavery.

Only if it's harmful to people. We're not entirely sure of the extent of that yet. If not then we're not destroying it, just modifying it.

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I find these pretty disturbing. I like to think I'd never have stood by while someone enslaved someone else. But the banality of these ads makes it all seem quite commonplace and acceptable. Wicked times.

One thing to note, the same types of people who were slave drivers are still here. They have as little respect for another humans life as they always have, judging other peoples well being as worth nothing. You can see it when they make statements similar to 'I earned what I have so I deserve it, poor people deserve nothing, especially not from my pocket.' They are willing to let people die, although they may try to…

Nearly all professionals in the west are in that position. They could give away most of their income to save desperately poor people, but they feel that they deserve it for themselves. It's a very broad blurry line between evil and respectable. Mostly dependent on whatever popular culture tells us it should be.

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I find these pretty disturbing. I like to think I'd never have stood by while someone enslaved someone else. But the banality of these ads makes it all seem quite commonplace and acceptable. Wicked times.

Consider - what are we doing now that future generations will look back on and express the same sentiment?

Farm animals

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Slavery is still going on. All the scandals in England? A lot of that was sex slavery. For the life of me I don't get how society honestly thinks "Oh ~50-200 years ago humanity was evil but now we're enlightened and good"...

> All the scandals in England? > A lot of that was sex slavery. What?

Here's recent labor slavery in Scotland

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/may/28/sl...

The victims feared being killed if they escaped back to their homes, so I'd say it's more than just "wage slavery".

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"How edgy to you have to be to try and argue about the morality behind slavery." How brainwashed do you have to be to mimic the beliefs of people around you? "When you prove that animals are self aware and conscious to the level of humans you can start to try and make half of this point" What do vague labels like 'conscious' and 'self-aware' have to do with slavery? "...but you're taking it way too far with this whol…

It's either disingenuous or just plain ignorant to set the bar at objectively wrong, or to imply that everyone thinks it's fine to have pets/eat animals, or that aliens would follow our ethical guidelines. Neither moral universalism nor realism have a dominance in the philosophy of ethics, and even then I highly doubt that those that do actually support those positions do so because of any argument involving being a…

He's thinking philosophically, not politically (trying to influence people). We should be quite free to think and discuss things in an objective way without having to continuously show that we agree with contemporary morals.

It might turn out that such a line of reasoning leads to the useless conclusion of "nothing is wrong" but it's certainly worth trying nonetheless. What we do know is that our current set of morals is somewhat arbitrary and could easily be full of "evil" things that make us no better than slaver owners. We just don't know because everyone agrees with us.

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It's either disingenuous or just plain ignorant to set the bar at objectively wrong, or to imply that everyone thinks it's fine to have pets/eat animals, or that aliens would follow our ethical guidelines. Neither moral universalism nor realism have a dominance in the philosophy of ethics, and even then I highly doubt that those that do actually support those positions do so because of any argument involving being a…

He's thinking philosophically, not politically (trying to influence people). We should be quite free to think and discuss things in an objective way without having to continuously show that we agree with contemporary morals. It might turn out that such a line of reasoning leads to the useless conclusion of "nothing is wrong" but it's certainly worth trying nonetheless. What we do know is that our current set of moral…

>He's thinking philosophically

He's not thinking, he's typing. What he's typing is not a stream of consciousness nor shared with only himself, so he's obviously looking for some form of discussion (whether that's primarily because he wants to influence others is hard to say). However he's doing it while being combative and insulting. If that's what he wants then I'm here to provide.

>We should be quite free to think and discuss things in an objective way without having to continuously show that we agree with contemporary morals.

I agree completely however taking up this cause in the comment section of a tech forum, without putting any substantial argument down first, and then resorting to calling people brainwashed is a poor way to go about it. In fact by doing so that seems to be him saying he not only doesn't agree with contemporary morals but looks down on those that do.

>What we do know is that our current set of morals is somewhat arbitrary and could easily be full of "evil" things that make us no better than slaver owners.

I acknowledged in the post you're replying to that the conventional source of morality is intuitive emotion not well thought out concepts.

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I find these pretty disturbing. I like to think I'd never have stood by while someone enslaved someone else. But the banality of these ads makes it all seem quite commonplace and acceptable. Wicked times.

I found the one that doubled as an ad comical "Please return him to my house on Fouche St., which is next to Julie St. WHO HAS FOR SALE one woman" I read it in Stewie's voice

Right. Slavery. Comical.

No..

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Did you just put evil in quotation marks when referring to human slavery?

No, I put 'Coca Cola'... Can you read?

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"How edgy to you have to be to try and argue about the morality behind slavery." How brainwashed do you have to be to mimic the beliefs of people around you? "When you prove that animals are self aware and conscious to the level of humans you can start to try and make half of this point" What do vague labels like 'conscious' and 'self-aware' have to do with slavery? "...but you're taking it way too far with this whol…

It's either disingenuous or just plain ignorant to set the bar at objectively wrong, or to imply that everyone thinks it's fine to have pets/eat animals, or that aliens would follow our ethical guidelines. Neither moral universalism nor realism have a dominance in the philosophy of ethics, and even then I highly doubt that those that do actually support those positions do so because of any argument involving being a…

  It's either disingenuous or just plain ignorant to set the bar at objectively wrong
The bar for what? If you mean the bar for a good explanation of what morality is, then the conclusion that it's an objective feature of the world is certainly not necessary.

  or to imply that everyone thinks it's fine to have pets/eat animals
Come on, there is obviously a tiny minority of people who don't think that. Just like in the Muslim countries, there is a tiny percentage of non-muslims. Majority, however, have conformed to what is accepted by people around them. Same with views on slavery of non-human animals today.

  or that aliens would follow our ethical guidelines. 
Hmm, what is 'our ethical guidelines'? If emotivism is true and if you look around you and throughout the history, there are no 'our (human) guidelines'. For almost any moral issue, there will be people who like it and those that don't like it.

  Neither moral universalism nor realism have a dominance in the philosophy of ethics.
I don't care what is currently popular in academic philosophy. There are many views in ethical philosophy, so it's unlikely that any of them will be the dominant view. Emotivism seems to be a good description of what moral sentences actually are. You have to differentiate between 'what moral sentences actually are' and 'what people think they are'. So, it's possible to say that emotivism/nihilism is true, while at the same time say that most people think that moral realism is true.

  It's like you worked out that the emotivism that most people use for their moral compass isn't exactly well thought out, googled some phrase sceptical of ethics as a whole, found nihilism, potentially with a detour through scientism, and then burrowed down that rabbit hole without considering any other established school of thought.
People don't use 'emotivism' for their moral compass, since most people don't even know what it is! How can ethical views and theories influence moral compass of regular people?

Your reference to nihilism is very typical. Most people use it almost as an insult. There are strong religious and political interests in society and nihilism bursts their bubbles and questions fundamental assumptions, so the way they cope is by contaminating the word and using it as an insult.

  Any response short enough for anybody to bother writing is going to need to take a whole bunch of premises as givens and rely on definitions for words you don't agree with. 
haha then there is no point in replying. If you're going to redefine words and make arbitrary assumptions, then why bother talking about anything with anyone?

  It'll just keep leading to chains of posts like this where you just keep asking stupid comparison questions like you're some form of internet Socrates, and being pleased when people don't reply adequately, or at all, because you're the one with the negative claim and consider anything other than a full argument from them as a default win for yourself.
This really ends with insults. You're labeling what I wrote as 'silly' and 'stupid' and trying to insult me by saying I'm wanna be internet Socrates. You've hit rock bottom with the insults.
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