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Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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from article "I have the pleasure of working with real businesspeople who care about doing a good job, not talking about doing a good job." Well, I don't know if he did research about the software that 37Signals has made, but I consider Ruby on Rails a "good job". I haven't used any of their other products (Basecamp, Highrise, Backpack, Campfire), but I would bet that the 3 million people using them would consider th…

Isn't ROR free? By that standard, I'm sure the BBC is doing a good job.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the back cover. That was enough to know it's more of the same. Not for me. "Fire workaholics", "Meetings are toxic", etc etc it's just linkbait hyperbole. I think this review managed to accurately sum up what 37signals puts out.

"Meetings are toxic" was in their last book. It's a hyperbolic title, but the content is more subtle. http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch07_Meetings_Are_Toxic.php "Fire workaholics" was a blog post. http://37signals.com/svn/posts/902-fire-the-workaholics The review was defensive, because 37signals prove that many typical management techniques are not necessary for success. This is a status risk for the review author,…

Sorry, but I just absolutely detest this sort of writing, where you make outlandish claims, then fallback to a ridiculously obvious position. It's a bait+switch, and it's used way too often. You don't get any real insight, you just read what you already know.

  Meetings Are Toxic
  Don't have meetings
  For those times when you absolutely must have a meeting
  (this should be a rare event), stick to these simple rules:
And the advice is just ridiculously obvious to anyone with a brain. "Never have a meeting without a clear agenda."

Please.

Are all the startups here having meetings every day without any vague sort of agenda? Would they blindly keep having meetings if they proved to be unproductive? no.

It's great that 37signals have worked this out, but I don't think there's many people who don't know it/can't figure it out for themselves.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing he probably knows, and hes trying to be a troll to get hits.

Sort of playing them at their own game?

No, all signs point to the conclusion that 37signals actually believes what they're saying. Quality snark, though!

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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post #3

I have a feeling this writer has no idea who 37signals is. He's probably realizing right about now that he's stepped on a land mine with exploding 37signals fanboys. Edit: No offense to fans of 37signals (I read svn). This guy is about to get a lesson in how many fans of 37signals there are.

The book's target audience is obviously "business people," so I'd say he really doesn't need to know details about 37signals specifically.

The review was wonderfully British -- "What is it about Americans that they think 10 years is a long time?" -- which probably is the main reason behind the criticism. Real business people according to the author are probably those with a degree from LSE.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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"The book is written by people who, I think, would rather be celebrities than businesspeople."

To a large extent celebrities are businesspeople nowadays. 37s has done nothing if not figure out a brilliant way to turn being web-famous into making money. While I think I'd take their business advice with a mound of salt (mostly because it's all expressed in such absolute terms as to be inherently meaningless) you have to admire the way they've used blogging and internet celebrity to turn a nice profit out of a product you could build in 2 weeks.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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from article "I have the pleasure of working with real businesspeople who care about doing a good job, not talking about doing a good job." Well, I don't know if he did research about the software that 37Signals has made, but I consider Ruby on Rails a "good job". I haven't used any of their other products (Basecamp, Highrise, Backpack, Campfire), but I would bet that the 3 million people using them would consider th…

Yes, by the review author's logic, no one should ever write a business book, because they are too busy doing a good job.

Of course, the reviewer neglects to note that writing a book and then selling it successfully and profitably is a case of a businessperson doing a good job.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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post #17

I'll read the book and formulate my own opinion on it. Thank you.

One of the points of a review is to suggest whether you should or should not spend your valuable time reading a book in the first place.

The fact that the book is written by 37 signals (the people behind Basecamp) compels me to read it on that merit alone. Just to get some insight from people who actually have proven themselves in the marketplace.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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post #17

I'll read the book and formulate my own opinion on it. Thank you.

One of the points of a review is to suggest whether you should or should not spend your valuable time reading a book in the first place.

In that light, it's useful to compare reviews of books you have already read with your own assessments of those books. That way you can get a sense of which reviewers are more likely to write future reviews that will dovetail with your own values and expectations.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends. Maybe. Sometimes. Your milage may vary. Reasonable people understand these apply in most (but not all!) situations.

No doubt. But what the what the OP is trying to do is weasel away from a critique of the book by saying 'Well, it's really mostly about 37 signals. If you don't like it/doesn't work for you, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man'. I imagine you wrote the book with the notion that it is broadly (not universally) applicable, just like most books in the genre. And it's perfectly sensible to review it in those terms…

I do think a lot of our ideas can apply to a very broad spectrum of businesses.

I've personally heard from thousands of business owners in just about every industry who've told me many of the ideas we espouse work beautifully for them in their businesses.

But, no of course I don't believe any idea applies to everyone.

Re: Management today review of 37signal's "Rework"

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Seriously, this is a rather typical old-economy response to a well understood concept at this point: Simple works.

Coming from the inside of the enterprise web publishing world I'd suggest it's not 37signals that is missing something.

Of course the author (of the review) did found a chain of restaurants...

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