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An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Your story reminds me of how Americans view international students who enter American schools with minimal ability to speak English. We wonder what they are doing there. I have an idea about why you did not find a job in America.. consider, Many international students cheat on the SAT to either (a) get into good schools or (b) get good grades at those schools [1]. Employers filter resume/CV's based on good schools an…

> I have an idea about why you did not find a job in America.. consider, I worked as a programmer in States for 2 years. I decided to go back on my own will. > If existing H-1B holders are not measurably adding enough value to the American GDP, then there's no reason to increase the number given out. And I am not complaining the number of H1-B visa. In fact, I think the current policy works okay. What I was suggestin…

> I worked as a programmer in States for 2 years. I decided to go back on my own will.

> And I am not complaining the number of H1-B visa. In fact, I think the current policy works okay.

Oh okay, I understand now.

> What I was suggesting was that people cheated their way out of U.S. colleges would most likely spend zero effort looking for jobs in States. Their goal was to get the degree so that their parents could have reasons to put them in some position back in home.

Perhaps. You have better insight into what might be going through minds of Chinese students than I do.

> All in all, both group (kids in [1] and kids in the article) were doing very poorly academically in China. And all their struggles wouldn't be such a big deal if they just learn their places in the society.

You already noted you had better resources and therefore have an advantage at learning something that lands you an office job.

Assigning people to be poor forever is not a society in which I would like to live. This breeds more unproductive members of society. The rich pretend to ignore the poor, and vice versa. They don't communicate well. I support bettering communications between people, not worsening them. Countries like Germany, Finland, Norway and Sweden accept and support the poor.

So does China, for that matter. I have to believe some poor Chinese students do find success through public schools when given the right support. If the CPC believed the poor were only worth manual labor, they wouldn't provide education through high school. You don't need that much classroom training to move objects. Nor would they introduce programs like social workers who focus on poverty.

The question is, how much support do you want to provide to the poor, and what kind of future do you envision for China? Is it the same as it is today? Then fine, make no changes. But, if you wish for something better, I wonder if you're open to the idea that supporting the poor can bring about further economic growth. Building giant unoccupied buildings in China isn't helping you produce more GDP. Supporting and educating the poor would enable them to add more to GDP.

You could visit Europe, which has more social welfare programs, and ask yourself whether you would like to see any of those programs implemented in China. Perhaps you like China just the way it is in 2016. Or maybe you have another idea for how to improve your community or society.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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It's absurdly easy to get diagnosed with ADHD/ADD and get an Adderall or equivalent prescription. I don't think the pharmaceutical companies have any qualms about producing more supply, if there is demand for it.

Excuse me, ADHD is very serious and real. Let me show you a few relevant quotes. Here's the relevant literature linked. "Given these deficits in academic skills and behavior, it is not surprising to find that as many as 56% of children with ADHD may require academic tutoring, approximately 30% may repeat a grade in school, and 30–40% may be placed in one or more special education programs. As many as 46% may be suspe…

I am in no way doubting the effects and seriousness of real diagnoses of ADD/ADHD. For those that actually need it, it works wonders.

But there is a serious percentage of college-aged ADHD diagnoses that are about as legitimate as most medical marijuana prescriptions. These kids are just snorting Adderall so they can cram for an exam or pull an all-nighter and finish a term paper. I've seen it first hand, and it's an incredibly wide-spread practice at some top-tier US universities.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Illegal? Most employment in the US is at-will. You can hire or fire for any reason or none at all, as long as you're not selecting based on race, sex, religion, etc. Where is it illegal to require a degree in Marketing for a job in Marketing?

There's some truth to it, I believe. There's legal notions that state you can't create arbitrary requirements. i.e. take a job where employees are on the phone with customers all day, it turns out that entrepreneurs would rather want your name to be John than Juan, Kwame or Mohammed. And given racial differences in socioeconomic standing, which create differences in educational attainment, it's easy to say a college…

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