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Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by Styx- »

PKop wrote: post #43
Styx- wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All ideas should be up for criticism, yes. But not all ideas should be criticized. The difference being that some criticisms are productive (presumably fresh, creative takes on thinking about something) and some simply serve the purpose of making the critic feel good about himself. In what way do we benefit to hear a criticism of religion for the umpteen-millionth time and on the internet of all places? No one is ref…

No one? The data flat out refutes that claim: http://religionnews.com/2014/08/01/five-signs-great-decline-... Looks like many have been refining their thought process. Perhaps it's from all of the criticism on the internet? Just because all minds won't be swayed doesn't mean some won't be. I do think criticizing the idea is more valid than criticizing the person who believes in that idea. It sounds like what you mean…

There is a time and place. An article about Dr. Heimlich in which some senior citizen invokes an age old remark isn't it.

Once you can show me the data on the benefit from that single remark, and that it doesn't correlate with the concept of 'diminishing returns' strongly, then I'll concede.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by dang »

azinman2 wrote: post #4

"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?

Please don't post comments like this to HN. It amounts to trolling. Intentionally or not, the effect is the same.

Religious flamewars and religious litigation are off topic here. They aren't new, they aren't interesting, and they reliably set a bunch of people off.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by Aelinsaar »

MustardTiger wrote: post #49
Aelinsaar wrote: post #47

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Please cite, I can't find anything to support your claim.

You can't find wikipedia? Here's his son's site talking about how he is a huge fraud: http://www.medfraud.info/

The Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdominal_thrusts

Your site is... lol

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by dang »

azinman2 wrote: post #46
nickff wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you trying to pass this atheist passive-aggressiveness off as wit? If so, you should have come up with something more original than this trite phrase.

I'm so sorry for offending your sensibilities. I'll try to do better next time.

You've broken the HN guidelines twice, first by provoking a tedious religions flamewar and then by being personally uncivil. We ban accounts that do this. Please (re-)read the site guidelines and follow them. That means posting civil, substantive comments, or none at all.

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Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by benjohnson »

visakanv wrote: post #23
benjohnson wrote: post #10

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From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.

What about aggressive childhood leukaemia? Why does God do that? Genuinely curious to understand.

Let's make the question as hard as possible: The child dies a lingering, painful death and the child despairs.

The annoying bit is that the Christian answer to this question sucks from a rational viewpoint - we humans cry out for our own justice against this God that allows such suffering.

Just be mindful before you assume that Christians are completely crazy, that for from our viewpoint God suffers as well - not only does he love this child, but he also died for this child - in order that all of us could be drawn to him.

The Christian term for this suffering is his "passion" - in that he longs to be with each and every one of us as an individual.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by MustardTiger »

Aelinsaar wrote: post #53
MustardTiger wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't find wikipedia? Here's his son's site talking about how he is a huge fraud: http://www.medfraud.info/

The Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdominal_thrusts Your site is... lol

The wiki article says what I said, that's why I asked why you were having a hard time finding it. It is not my site, it is his son's site. Try reading.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by anotherevan »

alejohausner wrote: post #33

Heimlich means well, but the popularity of his maneuver is due more to his relentless promotional skills, and not to sound research. If someone is choking, it's best to slap them hard on the back a few times. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/01.05.05/heimlich-05...

Last time I did my first aide certificate here in Australia (late 90s), if the back slapping is unsuccessful, the preferred technique was to lay them down on their side, place your hands under their armpit, flat over their ribs and try short, sharp compressions, squeezing the lungs.

Because the Heimlich technique is so well known, I remember the instructor citing the above as superior because it was less likely to break ribs or do other internal damage.

Caveat: This is in the case of complete obstruction and/or unconsciousness. If it is a partial obstruction, and you can keep the person calm enough to breathe enough, call an ambulance. All first aide is about keeping the person alive long enough for the professionals to take over, not being a hero that solves the problem yourself.

Looked up St John's and it looks like the technique has changed since then: [1] This actually sounds harder for effective compressions though, and requires more strength.

[1] http://www.stjohnambulance.com.au/docs/posters/ehs_choking_a...

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by Aelinsaar »

MustardTiger wrote: post #56
Aelinsaar wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdominal_thrusts Your site is... lol

The wiki article says what I said, that's why I asked why you were having a hard time finding it. It is not my site, it is his son's site. Try reading.

The wiki article says nothing like what you said, and don't get pissy with me, crackpot.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by MustardTiger »

Aelinsaar wrote: post #58
MustardTiger wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wiki article says what I said, that's why I asked why you were having a hard time finding it. It is not my site, it is his son's site. Try reading.

The wiki article says nothing like what you said, and don't get pissy with me, crackpot.

"According to Roger White MD of the Mayo Clinic and American Heart Association (AHA), "There was never any science here. Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and intimidation, and everyone, including us at the AHA, caved in.""

Seriously, try reading.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by Aelinsaar »

MustardTiger wrote: post #59
Aelinsaar wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wiki article says nothing like what you said, and don't get pissy with me, crackpot.

"According to Roger White MD of the Mayo Clinic and American Heart Association (AHA), "There was never any science here. Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and intimidation, and everyone, including us at the AHA, caved in."" Seriously, try reading.

This Mayo Clinic? The one that does recommend it?

http://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-choking/basics...

Now go invent a 'perpetual motion machine' or sight a UFO and leave me alone.

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