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Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by ashmud »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #111
JTon wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I enjoy using NoScript but I found I could not recommend it to non-techie friends, as it requires a lot of manual input to not break webpages. Is Privacy Badger more user friendly?

I don't believe privacy badger has broken any sites for me, I just run it in the background and let it do its thing, but it will of course be less effective than noscript because it doesn't break sites, and often the domains you want to block will break the site.

With Privacy Badger, there were a few months not too far back ago, where on certain sites (e.g., sports blogs) when browsing in private mode (Firefox), the first time I would visit a site, it would work. Then every subsequent time it would not work (broken layout). My (unproven) conclusion was the first time, it hadn't decided the (JS? cookies?) were tracking me, but after that it decided it had. I haven't had this problem in the last few months, though.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by EGreg »

Balgair wrote: post #79
EGreg wrote: post #58

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That's great, but once you factor in all the people who downloaded this plugin and are otherwise slightly harder to fingerprint, it's still 99% accurate! So now what?

I don't understand your logic here

I was saying the number of people who install a plugin that varies the user agent is tiny, and even then there are other ways to detect (just check out the lists of things, screen sizes etc.)

And the big picture is, regardless of these small imperfections, a digital fingerprint is over 95% accurate! So that's very valuable!

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by beagle3 »

bballer wrote: post #26
sdoering wrote: post #10

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I know a lot of AdBlocking Tools/List that do not block Google Analytics or Adobe Analytics by default. Do you know the ones that do?

Just to add to the others comments, get NoScript and you can control exactly who gets to run Javascript at all times. It makes the internet so much safer and you will be blown away at how many domains some sites are trying to run scripts from.

uMatrix (from gorhill=Raymond Hill, of uBlock Origin fame) is extremely useful. I haven't used NoScript in 5 years or so, so things might have changed - but compared to what I remember, uMatrix is no less capable (in fact, more capable), and much easier to use -- though sadly, still not at a level that a non-techie will use.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by jerluc »

renaudg wrote: post #91
joering2 wrote: post #44

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> So in order to protect my digital privacy, I should register myself at some alliance's website. It just doesn't make sense. Of course it doesn't make sense, but if you have millions from a billion dollar pool to spent on lobbyist and all kinds of dirtbags that are in power, all of sudden rules that have sound people scratch their head, are norm. > Either this whole internet advertising thing turns out to be a bubbl…

> Then I go on into long explanation how people don't go to facebook to buy products but to watch silly cat movies their friends upload, I'm never being listened to Maybe you're not being listened to because what you're saying flies in the face of all known evidence in an entire discipline called "online marketing", and it also screams "Facebook holdout+privacy nerd rant", which most business owners will politely smi…

Mind sharing some of that evidence? Having worked for a few online ad targeting companies previously with large advertisers and publishers, I gotta say, most of the data we saw coming from marketing campaigns were weak at best. Most of the conversations were around spending campaign budgets fully (which basically meant reducing the quality of targeting to a broad fishing net), and furthermore ROI tended to be measured against some insane advertiser goal not directly linked to conversions (sometimes this was charged via CPC or CPM, which advertisers supposedly obtained from their real conversion metrics). Also, if you're curious (though I can't find any links right now) you should look into the insane things that happen in brand advertising. I recall running a campaign with a very large brand that would pay us for showing users a YouTube video of their product. Their wasn't even a link to the product. They essentially were paying us for "influence".

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by kasey_junk »

astazangasta wrote: post #96
kasey_junk wrote: post #51

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- spam free, virtually limitless storage free email - free video delivery channel, that has created its own industry - communication tool that has changed news delivery & how people organize protests - free chat communication (with e2e encryption) for nearly everyone in the world (including some of the poorest) - on demand data center infrastructure at ridiculously low cost - instantly freely searchable data set of m…

I deeply disagree with this on a level that will be difficult to capture in an Internet comment, but I will try: What you're describing is the advancement of technology, which has occurred at the institutions that have accumulated the most power. Yes, Facebook, Google and others have hired some of the most talented people in the country, and these people have continued to produce useful technology while ensconced at…

I was talking more about the idea that we've somehow wasted developer minds on the pursuit of non-valuable advertising. Which clearly isn't the case. Advertising might have paid for a part of it, but the benefits clearly exist.

I'll also stand by my argument that every model of financing these technical improvements (at least that I can think of) have downsides. Compared to the war machine of the 20th century, I find the ads pretty tame. Not to mention that advertising is a lot less coercive than tax based defense spending or government granted monopolies.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by rrich »

weinzierl wrote: post #61

> Users with a Facebook account can opt-out of the ad scheme by adjusting their settings, while non-Facebook members can opt-out through the Digital Advertising Alliance in the US, the Digital Advertising Alliance in Canada, and the European Interactive Digital Advertising Alliance in Europe. ...or by using a wide-spectrum blocker like uBlock Origin, and for the cookie warning problem there is a solution too: "EU: Pr…

I opted out long ago with my hosts file.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by drivers99 »

sp332 wrote: post #34
Jemm wrote: post #31

127.0.0.1 facebook.com

Unless you're running a server on localhost, you'll have to wait for the connection to time out. Better to use 0.0.0.0 which is an invalid address and will fail immediately.

Wouldn't you get an immediate "connection refused" for localhost, not have to wait for a timeout?

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by cpeterso »

_RPM wrote: post #117
idrios wrote: post #116

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Or my personal favorite, 127.0.0.1?

Facebook has multiple domains with an A record resolving to 127.0.0.1. Go ahead and look at the response headers of a www.facebook.com request.

Why would Facebook do that?

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by _RPM »

cpeterso wrote: post #128
_RPM wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has multiple domains with an A record resolving to 127.0.0.1. Go ahead and look at the response headers of a www.facebook.com request.

Why would Facebook do that?

To talk to programs on the users computer of course.

Re: Facebook will show ads to non-Facebook users on other websites

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Post by _RPM »

_RPM wrote: post #117
idrios wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or my personal favorite, 127.0.0.1?

Facebook has multiple domains with an A record resolving to 127.0.0.1. Go ahead and look at the response headers of a www.facebook.com request.

To be more specific, this is the HTTP response header that contains _some_ domains that resolve to the local loopback device, formatted to fit nicely.

    content-security-policy: 
         default-src * data: blob:;script-src *.facebook.com *.fbcdn.net   
         *.facebook.net *.google-analytics.com *.virtualearth.net *.google.com 127.0.0.1:*
         *.spotilocal.com:* 'unsafe-inline' 'unsafe-eval' 
         fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net 
         fbcdn-static-b-a.akamaihd.net 
         *.atlassolutions.com blob: 
         chrome-extension://lifbcibllhkdhoafpjfnlhfpfgnpldfl;style-src * 'unsafe-inline' 
         data:;connect-src *.facebook.com *.fbcdn.net *.facebook.net *.spotilocal.com:* 
         *.akamaihd.net wss://*.facebook.com:* https://fb.scanandcleanlocal.com:* 
         *.atlassolutions.com attachment.fbsbx.com ws://localhost:* blob: 127.0.0.1:*;
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