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All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
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Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#52This is one of those things thats just so common sense, its hard to imagine a solid argument against it. Hopefully it will encourage the US to follow, although I'm sure publishers will dig their feet in and make up some bullsh*t reason why it would be a bad move.
>This is one of those things thats just so common sense
It really is, the public paid for the research, it rightfully belongs to the public.
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#53What does this mean in practice? Will the EU force the publishers to make them freely accessible? Will the EU only allow scientists to publish in open journals? Europe indirectly funds a lot of research. This will bleed into the workflow of scientists worldwide.
For biomedical research supported by the US NIH they require it to be posted to PubMed central (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/) within 6 months of publication. Since so many biomedical papers have at least some NIH funding the journals all went along with it.
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
But they are already cashing in for publishing anything, with additional small charges like few hundred bucks for going over the page limit and big charges like a couple thousand for making the article openly accessible.
" big charges like a couple thousand for making the article openly accessible." Yes, if you don't want them let them make money off your work, they won't subsidize publication and you'll need to pay. No law can change basic economics.
Fuck them. Publication costs nothing. All they're selling is prestige, and the cost of that will be dramatically adjusted downwards if there is political will to do so.
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#55Next step: As they have an exception for "IP" (intellectual property rights like patents) we must promote the logical consequence. All publicly funded research must mean all "IP" must be made available to anyone for free.
Nope. You can seek protection (patent) before publishing your results. See page 3 in the linked pdf. The paragraph begins with "misconceptions about open access.." in bold. :)
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/data/ref/h2020/gra...
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#56What does this mean in practice? Will the EU force the publishers to make them freely accessible? Will the EU only allow scientists to publish in open journals? Europe indirectly funds a lot of research. This will bleed into the workflow of scientists worldwide.
How this happens right now with NIH funding is yes, the government basically forces publishers to make things freely accessible - the paper is going in a public repository. Journals that publish lots of NIH funded stuff handle this for the author, while journals that don't tend to make it the author's problem. And yes, if an author doesn't comply, it can be a problem for future funding.
>> Will the EU force the publishers to make them freely accessible? Will the EU only allow scientists to publish in open journals?
> How this happens right now with NIH funding is yes, the government basically forces publishers to make things freely accessible - the paper is going in a public repository.
I think you're either mistaken, or you didn't understand the difference between the two original questions. The NIH doesn't force the journals to do anything. The NIH makes it a requirement for researchers they fund to make all publications open access (after some time period), effectively prohibiting the authors from publishing in closed-access journals
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#57I wish the same happened with the software written using public funding.
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#58This is one of those things thats just so common sense, its hard to imagine a solid argument against it. Hopefully it will encourage the US to follow, although I'm sure publishers will dig their feet in and make up some bullsh*t reason why it would be a bad move.
>This is one of those things thats just so common sense It really is, the public paid for the research, it rightfully belongs to the public.
Except it hasn't been like that for decades.
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would the US be doing this to protect the profits of Reed-Elsevier (based in London), Springer (Berlin) or the Nature Publishing Group (London)?
Or they can start pulling arguments from TTIP provisions and get away with blocking parts of the initiative. Now it's good this comes from the Netherlands (Elsevier is headquartered in the Netherlands).
(Elsevier is funny. Technically it's a subsidiary of the RELX group, aka Reed Elsevier, which is headquartered in London.)
Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020
#60Under the Horizon 2020 programme, open access publishing (green or gold) is already mandatory today for all EU/EC funded projects. Grant proposals must incorporate open access fees in order to be accepted. It's not much money for most project consortiums as the EU tends to fund big projects with budgets of ~10 million € and more as the norm (there are smaller ones, but ~2 million is really as small as it gets as far…
Gold open access needs to die, and "open access fees" with it.
Seriously, there is no STEM field I know of where you can't find good journals that allow posting of preprints.
Green open access solves all the problems at zero additional cost.