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Re: Is Everything Wrestling?

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Post by cylinder »

mitchtbaum wrote: post #5

Does anyone else yearn for life with what man has long called "wrestling"? Our ancestors used to cultivate their might, overcome deep physical challenge, and express useful skills in sanctified circles. Wrestling used to mean something profoundly real to human-kind, as it still does for many cultures who haven't taken a plunge into a commercial modernity. I remember when I was young reading of loud gasps when `Okonkw…

No because I'd like people who can't cultivate physical might to still be able to succeed.

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Post by mitchtbaum »

drumdance wrote: post #9
mitchtbaum wrote: post #5

Does anyone else yearn for life with what man has long called "wrestling"? Our ancestors used to cultivate their might, overcome deep physical challenge, and express useful skills in sanctified circles. Wrestling used to mean something profoundly real to human-kind, as it still does for many cultures who haven't taken a plunge into a commercial modernity. I remember when I was young reading of loud gasps when `Okonkw…

Among my friends at least Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has caught on big time. I tried a couple classes. While I enjoyed the workout, I had a feeling that if I did it regularly I would constantly be nursing an injury of one kind or another.

Would you feel better about basically that with no striking or submissions? Those seem like what separates martial arts from sports.

Among well-developed, modern wrestling styles, I also like how Folkstyle (called scholastic and collegiate[0]) doesn't reward for big throws, which have big risks, so it has a honed focus on skillful control (without violence).

0: for very good matches, search "NCAA Wrestling Finals"

Re: Is Everything Wrestling?

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Post by mitchtbaum »

cylinder wrote: post #11
mitchtbaum wrote: post #5

Does anyone else yearn for life with what man has long called "wrestling"? Our ancestors used to cultivate their might, overcome deep physical challenge, and express useful skills in sanctified circles. Wrestling used to mean something profoundly real to human-kind, as it still does for many cultures who haven't taken a plunge into a commercial modernity. I remember when I was young reading of loud gasps when `Okonkw…

No because I'd like people who can't cultivate physical might to still be able to succeed.

Success can (and needs to) happen in multiple domains with coordination.

In other words, a desk space is only as safe (and productive) as the strength of the structure that encloses, maintains, and supplies it.

Re: Is Everything Wrestling?

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Post by cels »

mitchtbaum wrote: post #5

Does anyone else yearn for life with what man has long called "wrestling"? Our ancestors used to cultivate their might, overcome deep physical challenge, and express useful skills in sanctified circles. Wrestling used to mean something profoundly real to human-kind, as it still does for many cultures who haven't taken a plunge into a commercial modernity. I remember when I was young reading of loud gasps when `Okonkw…

Not me.

Re: Is Everything Wrestling?

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Post by Avshalom »

mitchtbaum wrote: post #5

Does anyone else yearn for life with what man has long called "wrestling"? Our ancestors used to cultivate their might, overcome deep physical challenge, and express useful skills in sanctified circles. Wrestling used to mean something profoundly real to human-kind, as it still does for many cultures who haven't taken a plunge into a commercial modernity. I remember when I was young reading of loud gasps when `Okonkw…

Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality. There's a general sort of malaise you can see present in the US at least, it's why (or possibly because of) we see so much shit marketed to us via faux authenticity. Maybe it's just a perspective thing but I really think theirs a growing number of people developing a kind of knee jerk agrarian-utiopianist streak. I don't know what to recommend as far as further reading but it's certainly a concept that has been explored.

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Post by paganel »

Avshalom wrote: post #17
mitchtbaum wrote: post #5

Does anyone else yearn for life with what man has long called "wrestling"? Our ancestors used to cultivate their might, overcome deep physical challenge, and express useful skills in sanctified circles. Wrestling used to mean something profoundly real to human-kind, as it still does for many cultures who haven't taken a plunge into a commercial modernity. I remember when I was young reading of loud gasps when `Okonkw…

Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality. There's a general sort of malaise you can see present in the US at least, it's why (or possibly because of) we see so much shit marketed to us via faux authenticity. Maybe it's just a perspective thing but I really think theirs a growing number of people developing a kind of knee…

> Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality

We've been moving past this "physicality" for at least the last 3,000 years, it's what makes us, well, rational and modern humans. Case in point, the mighty Achilles and Hector both die, while the non-physical Ulysses finally manages to return home to his beloved Penelope. Also see Goliath vs David.

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Post by alexophile »

Obligatory "Wrestling Isn't Wrestling" plug - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvMOf3hsGA

You should really watch the video because it's amazing, but the tl;dw is that WWE is a live-filmed TV show with stunts about an over-the-top wrestling league. The world in the league has magic and wizards and all sorts of outlandish fictional elements, but the show we're watching is a sort of meta-show about that world.

With that in mind, politics is taking on a lot of the characteristics of wrestling in that it's this meta show about itself that doesn't really resemble the underlying truth. The big difference though is that the underlying truth in politics is the real-life workings of government, not a magical world of wizards, undead, and feats of strength.

With regards to papering over reality in favor of a preferable narrative–an activity as old as recorded history–I think wrestling actually has a much more honest relationship with fiction and truth than most things.

Re: Is Everything Wrestling?

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Post by chickenfries »

vox_mollis wrote: post #6
mitchtbaum wrote: post #5

Does anyone else yearn for life with what man has long called "wrestling"? Our ancestors used to cultivate their might, overcome deep physical challenge, and express useful skills in sanctified circles. Wrestling used to mean something profoundly real to human-kind, as it still does for many cultures who haven't taken a plunge into a commercial modernity. I remember when I was young reading of loud gasps when `Okonkw…

Yes. But on the other hand, the #2 story on HN right now is apologia for the inability to control one's emotional outbursts. You'll probably need to solve the hugbox problem before you introduce a primal renaissance to our nerd culture.

> apologia for the inability to control one's emotional outbursts.

What makes you so angry about the idea that crying is normal and is nothing to be ashamed of?

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