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All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Post by takluyver »

sndean wrote: post #30

I'm not as familiar with European journals, but if this happened in the US (more or less forced open access) it'd possibly mean that every time we want to publish it would cost researchers ~$3000. Hopefully this (and similar) legislation comes along with a statement regarding who's supposed to cover that cost. Because some of us avoid that price tag by publishing in non-open access journals.

I haven't read the specifics of this, but typically these kind of mandates come from funding bodies to cover the work they fund. So they're expecting that publication fees will be a budget item in grant applications.

Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Post by zmb_ »

intrasight wrote: post #12

What does this mean in practice? Will the EU force the publishers to make them freely accessible? Will the EU only allow scientists to publish in open journals? Europe indirectly funds a lot of research. This will bleed into the workflow of scientists worldwide.

I just went through this discussion in an EU funded project, and the consensus was that complying is up to the individual partners. In our case all academic partners decided to comply by posting preprints on their websites (contentwise identical to the accepted version), which is allowed by both ACM and IEEE.

Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Post by takluyver »

xiphias wrote: post #34
Aelinsaar wrote: post #9

Good. With whatever limitations, this is still good. It's not enough, but this is going to be a long LONG fight.

It at least partly legitimizes sci-hub in EU

Not in any legal sense - it applies to new, publicly funded research from 2020, not existing papers. Whether it legitimises Sci-hub in popular awareness is debatable.

Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Post by maerF0x0 »

fredoliveira wrote: post #33
maerF0x0 wrote: post #13

If trump wanted to help win over the science crowd, he could make this an issue. Seems more likely to come from Bernie though.

I struggle to see how or why a candidate who's proven to not necessarily have a stance on _any_ issues would want to do something like this to appeal "to the science crowd". In fact, that's exactly the crowd I'd consider the hardest to win by a candidate such as Trump. You know, critical thinking being a thing and all.

Fair enough, I should have known that putting the words "Trump" in the first 100 words ofa post would be auto downvotes. I meant it to say that this is one way that candidates, particularly those who have most estranged the scientific communities, could shore up or make amends.

Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Post by alaskanloops »

This is one of those things thats just so common sense, its hard to imagine a solid argument against it.

Hopefully it will encourage the US to follow, although I'm sure publishers will dig their feet in and make up some bullsh*t reason why it would be a bad move.

Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Post by badminton1 »

T-A wrote: post #11
badminton1 wrote: post #5

I can see the evil people behind the TTIP getting in the way of this. Before this goes into effect, the US will execute order 66 and take all the articles down.

Would the US be doing this to protect the profits of Reed-Elsevier (based in London), Springer (Berlin) or the Nature Publishing Group (London)?

Or they can start pulling arguments from TTIP provisions and get away with blocking parts of the initiative. Now it's good this comes from the Netherlands (Elsevier is headquartered in the Netherlands).

Re: All European scientific publicly funded articles to be freely accessible by 2020

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Post by lrem »

ikeboy wrote: post #19
kriro wrote: post #16

Seems excellent but I'm afraid the EU will just pay a sweet bundle of money to the publishers for the privilege instead of making it a law. Either way I hope it also extends to the member states level eventually. The circus of avoiding conflict between EU funding and member state funding is often quite amusing so this will be interesting. It feels almost ethically self evident that any research funded by citizens in…

What would the law say, and how would it prevent publishers from demanding money to publish now that their other sources of income have been cut off?

But they are already cashing in for publishing anything, with additional small charges like few hundred bucks for going over the page limit and big charges like a couple thousand for making the article openly accessible.

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Post by ikeboy »

lrem wrote: post #49
ikeboy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the law say, and how would it prevent publishers from demanding money to publish now that their other sources of income have been cut off?

But they are already cashing in for publishing anything, with additional small charges like few hundred bucks for going over the page limit and big charges like a couple thousand for making the article openly accessible.

" big charges like a couple thousand for making the article openly accessible."

Yes, if you don't want them let them make money off your work, they won't subsidize publication and you'll need to pay. No law can change basic economics.

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